Need opinion on this organic mix

This soil mix was suggested to me because of the fact that just about all the organic soil mixes I have seen are too expensive, or ingredients were just not available.

I am only limited to Home Depot, Walmart, & Lowes

But please give me your opinion on this recipe.

2 cubic- feet Miracle Grow Organic Choice (green bag)

3.8-4.0 cubic feet- Promix/Sunshine Mix #4 (If not, it can

be substituted with Peat Moss)

1 Cup Miracle Grow Blood Meal

1 Cup Miracle Grow Bone Meal

1/2 cup dolomite lime (1 cup if you're using peat moss)

30% perlite (chunky perlite is preferable)


Now I know that alot of people do not like miracle-gro products, but they are the only available products I can get

Seems like you know more than me, I was thinking about making my own kinda mix. I Guess it would work fine But its mostly trial and error.

Here's the mix that I like...
40 gal. promix
30 lbs EWC
4 cups Blood Meal, DE Powder, Dolomite, Greensand
6 cups Bone Meal, Kelp Meal
Perlite to taste
~ 45-48 gal (the bin is 50 and its less than a bin )

Anywho check around to see if you have any chain (or mom n pop) garden stores near you. If you have WM,HD, and Lowes then I'd guess your area is populated enough for garden stores.

Back to the point...

I'm not sure if you need the MG OC because I've heard/seen that it works fine by itself with lime. So maybe using all promix in the mix, or just using the afformentioned duo of MGOC + Lime could save ya a dollar or 2.

IMO garden stores have small bags of greensand and HD, Lowes, WM usually do not. Same goes for kelp meal. If you can find these things add 3 cups of each to the following.

Working in your scenario maybe you could do this...
6 cuft of whatever base (promix, MGOC, whatever)
20-25 lbs EWC (eBay, or WM)
3 cups Blood Meal, DE Powder*, Dolomite
4 cups Bone Meal

*Diatomaceous Earth can be found at HD, and other places like pool stores. Although there are 2 types of DE powder that you can find, I think either one will be OK because they both will contain some metals for your mix. The added minerals + metals is especially important if you don't use greensand or azomite and/or kelp meal

This all depends on how much work and looking around you want to do. On one end of the spectrum there is MGOC+ lime = Go, and on the the other you buy 6+ components and mix it all up. I like the latter, I have a buddy that does the former and he does just fine.

If you do the latter, I suggest Espoma Bio-Tone to cook the mix. It comes in dry and liquid ($8 for the latter) and is found at garden centers, and usually HD/WM garden sections.

ps - What are you goin' to water/feed with?

looking at that soil does it require a lot of water/ferilzer feeding druing the grow. I can imagine adding molasses and bacteria teas with castings or compost but do you need more. I am about to get started on a "super soil" grow of 30 gallons. Was reading subcool that wud be enuf. I guess With all my nutes laying around I will be ready.

dirt clean said:

looking at that soil does it require a lot of water/ferilzer feeding druing the grow. I can imagine adding molasses and bacteria teas with castings or compost but do you need more. I am about to get started on a "super soil" grow of 30 gallons. Was reading subcool that wud be enuf. I guess With all my nutes laying around I will be ready.

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It all sorta depends on the plant. Every watering = molasses + ewc + dechlor'd water at the least.

Sometimes plants rock this mix and EWC tea all the way until flowering or part way into flowering. Sometimes an extra N hungry plant will need to be supplemented with some N fert like Alaska Fish 10-1-1 or the MG 8-0-0. Usually in flowering they need good fert tea because ~3-4months the bone meal could be spent, and there isn't any rock phosphate in the mix.

Subcool's information/super mix pretty good. I just base mine off of something 3 little birds told. Both are really close in formula and only different by a couple ingredients.

keico said:

This soil mix was suggested to me because of the fact that just about all the organic soil mixes I have seen are too expensive, or ingredients were just not available.

I am only limited to Home Depot, Walmart, & Lowes

But please give me your opinion on this recipe.

2 cubic- feet Miracle Grow Organic Choice (green bag)

3.8-4.0 cubic feet- Promix/Sunshine Mix #4 (If not, it can

be substituted with Peat Moss)

1 Cup Miracle Grow Blood Meal

1 Cup Miracle Grow Bone Meal

1/2 cup dolomite lime (1 cup if you're using peat moss)

30% perlite (chunky perlite is preferable)


Now I know that alot of people do not like miracle-gro products, but they are the only available products I can get

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Whatup whatup.... So i use MG products like a mother and let me start off by asking a ?..

is this for indoor or outdoor?

As far as the choice your doing fine covering all your basics. I would only think that adding the blood anf bone meal right off the start might be a little too much... I would say mix everything else... and then just add to the top 30 days in or so. maybe even 40 days in.... Just remember that mostof those products are for outdoors.

I use the miracle grow organic BROWN bag (for pots) and i only add nutrients to it on my 2nd or 3rd week and i have to be very carefull not to overdose them. MG works great... the problem is that people think they need to add shit to it too soon. The soil is good for about 5 to 7 week for MJ no problem. After that it depends on the genes but sometimes wont even have to add shit ...well except for those add ons like gravity n cha ching.

good luck

ps check out a good read... Fertilizing wisely.

keico said:

This soil mix was suggested to me because of the fact that just about all the organic soil mixes I have seen are too expensive, or ingredients were just not available.

I am only limited to Home Depot, Walmart, & Lowes

But please give me your opinion on this recipe.

2 cubic- feet Miracle Grow Organic Choice (green bag)

3.8-4.0 cubic feet- Promix/Sunshine Mix #4 (If not, it can

be substituted with Peat Moss)

1 Cup Miracle Grow Blood Meal

1 Cup Miracle Grow Bone Meal

1/2 cup dolomite lime (1 cup if you're using peat moss)

30% perlite (chunky perlite is preferable)


Now I know that alot of people do not like miracle-gro products, but they are the only available products I can get

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Ok this recipe was from this website http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=59380

I read the whole thing and was very impressed at how all you need do is just add water from start to finish.

My only concerns were that the recipe called for 30 gallons. More than I would be using on my next grow.

I will be using 6 3 gallon pots. So after some dividing I came up with this recipe so that you would know how much to mix for three gallon pots. Tell me what you think. Oh also I did replace MG organic with Foxfarm Ocean forest

Blazeoneups soil recipe for a 3 gallon pot

24 cups soil foxfarm Ocean forest potting soil

48 cups Premier peat moss

2 tablespoon MG bone meal

2 tablespoon MG Blood Meal

14 cups perlite

2 tablespoon dolomite lime or 1 tablespoon if you are using promix/sunshine mix #4

Also on a final note I was wondering if this soil recipe has enough potassium during the flowering stage, and do you think that just by adding molasses will take care of this.

Oh one final note from the author of this

Quoted from Blazeoneup himself

These are all peat based mix....
Promix, Bcuzz hydro mix, Sunshine mix, and plain peat moss can all be used!

These are the optional soils to use with the peat based mixes above.
Mg organic, Foxfarm ocean forrest, Black gold,

You can mix and match any of the above mixes to achieve simular results.

Example Promix with mg organic or Pro mix with ocean forrest or bcuzz hydro with m organic or visa versa so on yada yada.

Here are the key points I will make. It doesnt matter much which way you go with it, What matters is that the soil is mixed with the peat based mix to create about a 60/40 mix 60% peat 40% soil. Then you add your perlite and ammendmants. I usually use 3.8 cf bales of any of the above mentioned peat based mixes, With 2cf of ocean forrest or mg etc!

I reccomend chunky perlite, I also reccomend using ocean forrest over mg organic, I had fungus gnats with mg organic and once I mixed the mix, and went to tranplant the babies and pull out a handfull of soil and it was loaded with maggets, So I no longer use MG organic.

1-1&1/2 cup blood meal 1-1&1/2 cup bone meal 1/2-3/4 cup dolomite lime, Or pulverized limestone. Depending on how your strain feeds if its a heavier feeder go with the 1&1/2 blood and bone meal if its a light feeder then use the 1 cup.

If your vegging less than 30 days 3 gal bags are fine. If you plan to veg for 30 or more you need to use 5 gal bags or else you could be nute deff during flower. If you want to add castings thats fine, I reccomend just top coating with it during the latter stages of veg before the flip.

You can use sweet if you would like also, I'm kinda tired and high so I will go back over this post and thread later and if you have any questions feel free to ask. On a side note I have used everyone of the above mentioned products all with simular success mg organic is the only one which can bring along fungus gnats etc.

my plants are using a super soil like sub's. I added kelp. They are thriving. I have taken it one step further and begun amending the one gallons that I use when I transplant from the 16 ounce cups I germ in. They love that too. The growth is tripling for all plants, even the wounded ones caught up.

On a side not I just used BMO organics on my grow entirely and I just smoked the early harvest buds and I was blown away by the smoothness. The shit just went "clear" in the pipe as it hit my brain. "clear" and clean is how I could dscribe it and powerful as fuck. Organics rock. good meds

I am using super soil on the other plants I am bringing only, like I said, I use kelp too and this time I am using premier peat moss and a bag of composted steer manure per 14 gallons of peat. I hope to add a bag or wormcasts if I can get to the store. I will use the same formula but peace of mind products. Oh yeah, my first super soil mix was using ocean forest. That is what my veggers are in.

I am just using water in my 2 month cooked super soil as it worked great and when I added some cal mag, hydroguard, spt, liquid karma and the girls got some funny light brown spots on the leaves with no stunting tho. IDK, I dont want to ruin a good thing, water only. I figure the soil web is so good that I should not fuck it up