Never had any legitimate visuals? (Even CEV'S)

Hey everyone, I recently tried 25I-NBOMe blotter, from a semi-reputable source. My pupils were massive, all my friends thought it must've been amazing. Yet, no visuals or anything the whole night, not to mention a slight degree of irritability and a large dose of cynicism. I've also consumed from 50-80 mg of Methoxetamine three times, and while it was amazing, and I felt the music just wash over my body, still no visuals to speak of. I do feel mentally creative on both MXE and plain cannabis, enough to sort of "imagine" a trip, but not really obtain actual visuals. I have a long history of depression/social anxiety/possibly bipolar II, so maybe mental illness could contribute? Although I'm not really certain about that. Anyways, any input would be greatly appreciated. I love the psychedelic experience of dissociatives, but it feels like I'm missing a massive slice of the pie. Thanks

Are you on any medication for the depression? SSRI's and some atypical antipsychotics such as Zyprexa are known to dull the psychedelic experience in a lot of people.

Hey man this might be a weird thought with not much backing, so just take it with a grain of salt. Are you a visual person at all? do you enjoy drawing or any sort of activity involving visual stimulant other than inducing them? Me personally I have never been that visual of a person and have never had any visual experiences except for once when i was on shrooms. I think if you answered yes to those questions you may share a similar mind set as me. I wasn't necessarily depressed as a child, but i oppressed much of my child hood due to the nature of it. This crippled my senses. I am twenty years old and just now realizing a major lack of connection with my senses. I know this may seem far fetched, but when i was in depression I lacked making connections with the world around me. Hence the lack of visual stimulate. If this sounds like something you have experienced than maybe a part of your brain isn't quite developed in the term of visual or seeing

I only get visuals on pretty hefty doses of things. Tripping is much more mental for me.

read the post in the thread next to this one about shrooms and expanding the mind

it will make you understand alittle more whats going on in your brain and it might give you alittle understanding as to why you dont have visual manifestations

sonar said:

Are you on any medication for the depression? SSRI's and some atypical antipsychotics such as Zyprexa are known to dull the psychedelic experience in a lot of people.

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No, in fact the potential side effects, like those involving psychedelics, are a large part of what turned me off of anti-depressants. I just have a therapist I see like once a month, and in addition to fun or deep experiences, I also wanted to use them as a sort of self-help (only when I feel good, of course).

titycaca said:

Hey man this might be a weird thought with not much backing, so just take it with a grain of salt. Are you a visual person at all? do you enjoy drawing or any sort of activity involving visual stimulant other than inducing them? Me personally I have never been that visual of a person and have never had any visual experiences except for once when i was on shrooms. I think if you answered yes to those questions you may share a similar mind set as me. I wasn't necessarily depressed as a child, but i oppressed much of my child hood due to the nature of it. This crippled my senses. I am twenty years old and just now realizing a major lack of connection with my senses. I know this may seem far fetched, but when i was in depression I lacked making connections with the world around me. Hence the lack of visual stimulate. If this sounds like something you have experienced than maybe a part of your brain isn't quite developed in the term of visual or seeing

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I actually like that theory. It's possible, I sort of enjoyed drawing as a little kid, but SUCKED and got turned off. I'm more of a writer now, so maybe the experiences will be more philosophical/mental and less visual? Good reply!

MrEDuck said:

I only get visuals on pretty hefty doses of things. Tripping is much more mental for me.

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Maybe that's my situation.

Unnk said:

read the post in the thread next to this one about shrooms and expanding the mind

it will make you understand alittle more whats going on in your brain and it might give you alittle understanding as to why you dont have visual manifestations

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Thank you! I'll look for it.

Anyone else have input?

Sonar thanks for the zyprexa tip I did not know that and about to start my first batch of mushies I know that I will proboly take more than most to get ripped thanks man

some people just have a natural high tolorace my one friend ca eat 7 grams of mush and not get high no pupil dialation nothing but also as you said u like to write so next time u trip write some stuff up! also CEV ive had them to a small extent ever since i was a very young. When i trip out even on low doses i usualy have visual distortion to some extent

Holy shit I get visuals! Can't explain why your not. Maybe don't try so hard, find something to do while waiting to "go up", like clean your house. Then go somewhere without a lot of straight lines, look at some tie dies or pretty tapestries. When colors start to change or shapes get wobbly don't try to focus your eyes, just relax into it. Kinda like going to sleep with your eyes open. Tree and clouds are great to look at too, really anything with random patterns is easier to trip to. After you learn to see things it get way easier. Also take 5-10 hit of good LSD, or 10 or so grams of good mushrooms. A strong trip is harder to think your way out of.

I agree with Bigtacofarmer random things will do it, or best for me outdoors, I like to be in the woods with a friend or two and explore, the trees get me everytime while taking a rest sitting down kinda starting into the woods the tree trunks will wobble, and looking up into the trees, the swaying leaves will just mesmerize you!! You have got to see something while doing this! works for me and mushi

5+ grams of good shrooms or some real lucy and you will see visuals. I always just saw colors and patterns, along with some visual distortions(Such as trails/tracers). The only other drug I ever got visuals on was mescaline and that's very hard to come by around here.

MUSIC... I almost forgot, but when I read your post I got to thinking its a good night for tripping. Anyways MUSIC, something like the Grateful Dead or Shpongle always do great. MUSIC

Bigtacofarmer said:

Holy shit I get visuals! Can't explain why your not. Maybe don't try so hard, find something to do while waiting to "go up", like clean your house. Then go somewhere without a lot of straight lines, look at some tie dies or pretty tapestries. When colors start to change or shapes get wobbly don't try to focus your eyes, just relax into it. Kinda like going to sleep with your eyes open. Tree and clouds are great to look at too, really anything with random patterns is easier to trip to. After you learn to see things it get way easier. Also take 5-10 hit of good LSD, or 10 or so grams of good mushrooms. A strong trip is harder to think your way out of.

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I agree. With DMT it took me a few tries to learn to "let go." Sounds a little cliche but it's true.

A friend of mine gets no visuals. I watched him eat 4 grams of penis envy and not 'see' anything. Watched him eat 3 blotters of alex grey. Nothing. I took the same drugs, and I could hardly see with the mushies. And the greys... Haha need not explain the eye candy.

The guys immune. Dxm fucks him up terribly, still no visuals. Though MXE and other dissociatives like DXM are not visual as it is. Still though sometimes Ill get a special trip out of them where it is visual a little...

Its a really weird thing. He took 100 fucking milligrams of 4 ho met. He said he felt it 'the stars are moving thats it' thats what he said.. What is his problem? 20mg had me in a whirlwind of crazy nonsense I cannot even begin to explain.

My suggestion to you OP is just go get a gigantor bag of mushies.. Or get DMT. Oh also. DMT did not affect this kid. I mean what the FUCK????????
Its by far the strangest thing Ive ever heard of.. The shit has to make its way through your body somehow..

I feel like maybe you are expecting too much. Crazy visuals only come at higher doses. Otherwise its just rippling.. Waving.. Not with me though, I may be light.. But not really a lot of people see the fractals off a hit of lsd. And Im one of them.


Go try DMT

I feel like if you are expecting too much, your brain kinda kicks it out in a way.. But still how is that possible?

I've always had the most visual experiences from flips (excepting DMT, but DMT is pretty unique). Just make sure to get acquainted with the substances as individuals before combining them.
I also wanted to add that all antipsychotics will eliminate or at least greatly interfere with the effects of psychedelic drugs. Wether theyre typical or atypical. Hence the line "you better pray to god there's some Thorazine in that bag," in Fear and Loathing in LV after he eats all that acid.

Take 5-8g of cubes and you will have visuals.
I get visuals at doses as low as 2.5g, 5-8g doses for me are really visual(really mind fucky as well).

Don't get cocky with your dosages, before you know it you will be lying on the floor with your ego torn up!

Dame. What a shame. Oh well. I always have loads of visuals to the point where it gets tough to use my computer. Good times.