Never planted outdoors in tropic weather, need help.

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CaptEddie

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So I have only ever planted indoors, but hesitated outdoors for several reasons.

1. It's extremely hot outdoors @35C with shade , @41C in direct sunlight.
2. It's super humid, can be 41C and then starts pouring rain, feels like it's too harsh to even begin with
3. I have no idea how to start outdoor from seed>seedling etc (what I mean is that since seedling grows in between 20c-30c, how do I grow it with the kind of temperature I have.
4. I would like to start the grow purely without any usage of lights or aircon.

Would it be possible at all if I get an auto thai landrace strain (I get about 12/12 year-round of sun), put it in a final pot and just leave it out there to grow and thrive? Or there's no way of getting around the seedling phase outdoors but to start indoor first?
 
crisnpropa

crisnpropa

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CaptEddie said:
So I have only ever planted indoors, but hesitated outdoors for several reasons.

1. It's extremely hot outdoors @35C with shade , @41C in direct sunlight.
2. It's super humid, can be 41C and then starts pouring rain, feels like it's too harsh to even begin with
3. I have no idea how to start outdoor from seed>seedling etc (what I mean is that since seedling grows in between 20c-30c, how do I grow it with the kind of temperature I have.
4. I would like to start the grow purely without any usage of lights or aircon.

Would it be possible at all if I get an auto thai landrace strain (I get about 12/12 year-round of sun), put it in a final pot and just leave it out there to grow and thrive? Or there's no way of getting around the seedling phase outdoors but to start indoor first?
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You could just throw some seeds onto the dirt and they will grow. Nature will find a way.
 
crisnpropa

crisnpropa

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You can start them indoors in a window. Don't worry about the high temperatures. Just ensure the seeds and sprouted seedlings do not dry out.
 
mudballs

mudballs

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The key to heat and outdoors, in my experience and opinion, is you need the plant to be established before the heat hits hard. Established can mean a couple diff things to diff people so i dont want to get dragged into the minutia of that...but I've never had problems in heat if the plant is established. If you miss early spring planting outdoors ur boned and should do indoor and plan for next year.
 
Abstacticism

Abstacticism

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Hi there! I have been browsing for 5 years in the sub tropical forests on the east coast of South Africa. I don't know where you are geographically and what elements you have to deal with, but the temp and humidity you mentioned is basically what most of the summer on our east coast is like.

Try to find a shady spot outside that gets aeration. Shade cloth is a winner for creating a safe space to start up babies outside.
The roots of the plant only stops developing when the soil temp reaches 35°c. Air temp and ground temp differs. Most places the earth takes longer to hear up than the air.

Please give me more info.. hopefully I can help out.

One Love
 
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CaptEddie

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Abstacticism said:
Hi there! I have been browsing for 5 years in the sub tropical forests on the east coast of South Africa. I don't know where you are geographically and what elements you have to deal with, but the temp and humidity you mentioned is basically what most of the summer on our east coast is like.

Try to find a shady spot outside that gets aeration. Shade cloth is a winner for creating a safe space to start up babies outside.
The roots of the plant only stops developing when the soil temp reaches 35°c. Air temp and ground temp differs. Most places the earth takes longer to hear up than the air.

Please give me more info.. hopefully I can help out.

One Love
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I'm staying in south east asia. The hot weather is brutal in the afternoons for seedlings to grow.

However from what I know places like mexico and Columbia has pretty much same weather conditions as what I have yet they're able to plant outdoors without shade houses? Although it's only from my observation in documentaries.

So if my temps outside is 35c in shaded area, how should I cool them down further? Should I give more frequent watering but smaller amounts, but would it drown a seedling(maybe 1-2 weeks old only) though?
 
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Abstacticism

Abstacticism

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CaptEddie said:
I'm staying in south east asia. The hot weather is brutal in the afternoons for seedlings to grow.

However from what I know places like mexico and Columbia has pretty much same weather conditions as what I have yet they're able to plant outdoors without shade houses? Although it's only from my observation in documentaries.

So if my temps outside is 35c in shaded area, how should I cool them down further? Should I give more frequent watering but smaller amounts, but would it drown a seedling(maybe 1-2 weeks old only) though?
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Wow! That is a very interesting setting. I am not familiar with Asia's climate. If you can send me your closest town's coordinates I can do some research into that area to see what factors you have to deal with. I will return the favour just out of curiosity. I am based in South Africa.

Cannabis is a very, very strong and hardy kind of plant. She is called a Weed for good reasons yes, it is good to be gentle with her. Especially when she doesn't have a big root system to support her with enough water and nutrients to heal the damage from the heat.

I assume it is the middle of your summer now if it the middle of our winter at the moment. Have you already planted the seeds?
I would suggest that you start your seedlings in semi protected circumstances. If they do not stand in direct sunlight, you can cool them down with a spray bottle and water. Wet the leaves on top and at the bottom of the leaves of your seedlings. A heavy wind will damage them however when it catches the heavy, wet leaves.

The best would be to wait for the worst of the heat to pass before planting the beautiful babies. I cultivate my cannabis all year round. Just need to adjust the amount of hours light your lady gets. 13hours and more , consistently, keeps her in Veg. 13 hours and less, becoming gradually less(like the sunlight that lessens with a few minutes every day) and she will start fruitating.
I grow solely outdoors with sunlight. Only use an LED 10W spotlight to keep them awake for a few extra hours into the night. The objective being to keep her awake. The lumens don't need to be her source of growing energy, the sun is enough for that during the day. When she has enough root heat, she might grow some more into the night.

I look forward to seeing where abouts you are. Hopefully give you some more accurate info
One Love
 
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CaptEddie

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Abstacticism said:
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I get that it's a very hardy plant that can thrive in harsh conditions, but I'm pretty sure people mean that when they're at least matured plants and not during seedling stage.

I have actually selected autoflower seeds, as to not worry about giving it additional lights outdoors. It would be very troublesome and not to mentioned raise suspicious too.

Because I'm growing autos, I didn't want to stress them, but to have them indoors @25-30c and with lights, will need a dedicated room for it which I do not have.

So my option would be outdoors all the way. I was wondering if there is a way to plant outdoors with this weather. Countries with similar weather would like Thailand and Philippines, and it seems like they supply most of South East Asia's demand for cannabis.

Where I am is in the Borneo island, try Googling Borneo west kalimantan.

I'd like to thank you for helping out with my problem
 
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mudballs

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ill tell you the trick...just start growing...right now you have a micro view....but after you do it long enough you get a more macro view, like a nursery manager and you no longer worry about things as much because you've gone through the stages of learning.."oh i can just leave that out"..."that has a few more weeks"..."that one is too wet still"...."i need to feed those soon"...you become a gardner. I know you have so many unknowns but they are easy to grow, even in extreme temps, once you figure out how they need to be grown in your particular environment.
trust me when i say that over time you'll forget about all these difficult unknowns and just be cruising through life, growing.
 
Abstacticism

Abstacticism

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CaptEddie said:
I get that it's a very hardy plant that can thrive in harsh conditions, but I'm pretty sure people mean that when they're at least matured plants and not during seedling stage.

I have actually selected autoflower seeds, as to not worry about giving it additional lights outdoors. It would be very troublesome and not to mentioned raise suspicious too.

Because I'm growing autos, I didn't want to stress them, but to have them indoors @25-30c and with lights, will need a dedicated room for it which I do not have.

So my option would be outdoors all the way. I was wondering if there is a way to plant outdoors with this weather. Countries with similar weather would like Thailand and Philippines, and it seems like they supply most of South East Asia's demand for cannabis.

Where I am is in the Borneo island, try Googling Borneo west kalimantan.

I'd like to thank you for helping out with my problem
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I will definitely check it out in a moment, thank you!

It is awesome to be of some help, thank you

I checked with my colleague that came with me through the sub tropical stint.

35° average is perfect for cannabis, no matter its age. As long as you have a balanced microbial life in your soil. If at all possible, the ideal would be to get a CEC meter. I say this from research. I myself haven't worked with one. The pH balance is a good enough indicator to work with when you regularly check your soil balance. That way you can see by the change of pH balance if you get a nutrient buildup for example.

As long as your plant has a healthy root circumstance, she will grow beautifully.

Aha, autoflowers will simplify the lighting issue.
From your comments I assume your neighbours are not comfortable with the idea. Better to stay on good terms with your fellows yes.

I don't have a lot of experience with autoflowers though .. the rudelaris subspecies is very interesting. I mainly work with indicate and sativas.
Can I send you a link to download yourself a cannabis growers handbook?
 
Abstacticism

Abstacticism

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CaptEddie said:
I get that it's a very hardy plant that can thrive in harsh conditions, but I'm pretty sure people mean that when they're at least matured plants and not during seedling stage.

I have actually selected autoflower seeds, as to not worry about giving it additional lights outdoors. It would be very troublesome and not to mentioned raise suspicious too.

Because I'm growing autos, I didn't want to stress them, but to have them indoors @25-30c and with lights, will need a dedicated room for it which I do not have.

So my option would be outdoors all the way. I was wondering if there is a way to plant outdoors with this weather. Countries with similar weather would like Thailand and Philippines, and it seems like they supply most of South East Asia's demand for cannabis.

Where I am is in the Borneo island, try Googling Borneo west kalimantan.

I'd like to thank you for helping out with my problem
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I would like to add that I amend you the attention you are giving the research aspect of growing cannabis.

She is such a diverse plant type that we still know so little about for sure because she adapts so effectively.

Thank you on behalf of Cannabis, our medicine, the only Psychoactive plant that we know of, for your love and at
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CaptEddie

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Abstacticism said:
I will definitely check it out in a moment, thank you!

It is awesome to be of some help, thank you

I checked with my colleague that came with me through the sub tropical stint.

35° average is perfect for cannabis, no matter its age. As long as you have a balanced microbial life in your soil. If at all possible, the ideal would be to get a CEC meter. I say this from research. I myself haven't worked with one. The pH balance is a good enough indicator to work with when you regularly check your soil balance. That way you can see by the change of pH balance if you get a nutrient buildup for example.

As long as your plant has a healthy root circumstance, she will grow beautifully.

Aha, autoflowers will simplify the lighting issue.
From your comments I assume your neighbours are not comfortable with the idea. Better to stay on good terms with your fellows yes.

I don't have a lot of experience with autoflowers though .. the rudelaris subspecies is very interesting. I mainly work with indicate and sativas.
Can I send you a link to download yourself a cannabis growers handbook?
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Sure!
 
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