OK so i may have dialed it down to simple overwatering, maybe fox farm ocean forest has something to do with the problems im seeing but i think its my fault, they were starting to claw, and yellow from the stem to the tip of the leaf, ph of water is always around 6.5 and im not using any nutes yet so thats crossed off the list, they are drying out and looking better, so what im thinking is soil too moist all the time the roots couldnt breathe, stop drinking as much and start to look like what is a nutrient problems, if i could post pics i would, 26 days old now, i may have been slightly overwatering from the start, first grow, nervous, didnt want em to dry out too much, but now i think i may have been slightly overwatering by watering too frequently, still a learning curve but i think im getting the hang of it