New feeding routine? Any tips of when to use each?

TonightYou

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Happy Frog isnt light warrior genius, only reason I dont use it is because it costs more. $8.50 a 2cubic feet for happy frog is why I use it.
 

beuffer420

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You keep telling people they can use Jack's classic for hydroponics which while true, is very shitty advice. Just because it works in your soil grow (that you call hydroponic), doesn't mean it will work well for people actually using an inert media.

This is why Jbone keeps asking the seemingly meaningless questions. It's to force you into a path of reasoning where you figure out for yourself that you're wrong.
Hes right, it's synthetic nutes doesn't matter if medium is inert the plant has no choice but to uptake what is fed to it. What do you think greenhouse seeds powder feed is?
 

churchhaze

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It does too matter, and not all "synthetic nutes" are the same. For hydroponic systems, N is provided almost entirely through nitrate (NO3-). Calcium nitrate is what makes the difference between soil based nutrients and hydroponic nutrients, to be specific.

Jack's classic provides the majority of its N as ammonium/urea (NH4+) and contains no calcium which is ideal for soil, but a poor choice for hydro. This is because the bacteria in the soil break the urea/ammonium down into nitrates and those new available nitrates pull calcium from the calcium carbonate (limestone) into a soluble form slowly.

There are only 2 soluble inorganic calcium salts. Calcium nitrate and calcium chloride. All other forms are solid precipitates in water. There is no substitute for calcium nitrate for hydroponics. It is the main ingredient. It provides the majority of the nitrates AND the calcium in just about every recipe. There is a strong correlation between calcium levels and nitrogen levels in all hydro nutes for this exact reason. (lowering calcium levels almost always means lowering nitrate levels)

TonightYou is constantly advising to use a soil based fert for hydro users, even though he himself clearly grows in soil.

Hes right, it's synthetic nutes doesn't matter if medium is inert the plant has no choice but to uptake what is fed to it. What do you think greenhouse seeds powder feed is?
 

homebrewer

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Dynagro is also a watered down salt that has a feed schedule that also rapes its customers genius
Sure, as compared to a dry food but can you name another liquid plant food that is more concentrated than Foliage Pro?

As I pointed out earlier, if a grower was running two 20 gallon reservoirs for a 9 week flowering cycle, 2 gallons of Sensi couldn't even finish the grow. Guess how much DG you'd use; about a 1/2 gallon. That's doesn't sound watered down to me.
 

churchhaze

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This is a blog from the guy who made hydrobuddy. A lot of his blog posts are great reads, although it's organized shittily. None of it is about weed. According to TonightYou, the guy who wrote the calculator must be the ringleader of stupid.

Nitrogen Fertilization in Hydroponics
http://scienceinhydroponics.com/2009/02/04

"So next time you are searching for a nitrogen nutrient for your hydroponic plants, remember to search for nitrate salts as more than 90% of your total nitrogen source. The most important salts for providing nitrogen as nitrate in hydroponic gardening are potassium nitrate and calcium nitrate. This is important to remember, as using ammonium salts to provide your plant’s nitrogen will ultimately kill them in hydroponic media !"
 

churchhaze

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This calculator along with education will ultimately mean the difference between starvation and abundant crops in developing countries.
 

beuffer420

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Sure, as compared to a dry food but can you name another liquid plant food that is more concentrated than Foliage Pro?

As I pointed out earlier, if a grower was running two 20 gallon reservoirs for a 9 week flowering cycle, 2 gallons of Sensi couldn't even finish the grow. Guess how much DG you'd use; about a 1/2 gallon. That's doesn't sound watered down to me.
Homebrew, I asked AN one day when a rep came into work why they had such high Mls per gallon of nutes...he chuckled and said we can only suspend so much in a bottle with so much liquid. Which I can see how that would make sense but still it does make a mofo wonder.

good shit church haze way to break it down with the nitrogen info.
 

homebrewer

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Homebrew, I asked AN one day when a rep came into work why they had such high Mls per gallon of nutes...he chuckled and said we can only suspend so much in a bottle with so much liquid. Which I can see how that would make sense but still it does make a mofo wonder.
If he's saying they're close to the saturation point, well, he's no chemist. The whole idea behind splitting up the bottles into two parts is that some elements naturally want to bond to others. You'd think that since they've run with this two-part concept that they'd then be able to make each part more potent. Whether their reason is for money or lack of know-how, they haven't.
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

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I've got really dank buds grown with advanced. they are all over the nutrient section. can someone please show me their super dank dynagro buds. and please use something in the pic for scale. too many guys on this forum using the macro feature on their camera to make popcorn look like Christmas trees.
 
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