New grower. 2nd run. Big problem. week 3 flower

wifey48

wifey48

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C. Duke said:
Just my .02 as a hydro noob myself.

Over water = lack of oxygen. I chose to not use a bucket system because there is always some water left behind in bucket. Could be that the roots are using up all the oxygen in that water between watering making it look like it's a over watering problem when it could just be a lack of oxygen. May need to water more often to keep the bottom of the bucket oxygenated?

Do your RW cubes get wet during the water cycle? If so, then it could be compounding the problem of actually over watering and lack of oxygen. I keep the RW cubes around 3/8 - 1/2" above top water line to keep the cubes dry.

Toxic levels of nutes, or nutrient lockout? 6.0 is a bit high PH for hydro. It won't allow some stuff that the plant can get with a lower PH. One problem I'm having is snot algae in my rez'. At first I panicked, and did everything to get rid of it. Since then I've come to terms with it, and I think it may actually be benefiting me to some extent. It gets the PH rising after a couple days after my H2o2 dose. So I set the PH below 5.8, to around 5.5-5.6 and let it drift up to 6.0 before adding PH Down. This way the plants on day 1 get more nutes that it can absorb with a more acidic ph, and by day 3 or 4 they are easily getting nutes it can take readily closer to a neutral PH. Maybe try fluctuating your PH up and down to see if a nutrient lockout is happening. Or just set it at 5.6 for a few days, then raise it to 5.8.

Man, I can't even get threw the list of stuff you're using for nutes. Looks like a lot of work measuring it all up. I'm using Canna because I know the manufacturer does a good job of putting everything it it for me. Everything the plant needs is in it, so if I get what looks like a deficiency, I kook elsewhere [like PH and lockout] knowing that all the stuff is in the mix I buy. Less of a chance I can fuct it up. Maybe try changing nutes for a while and see if it clears up?


Good luck! It's a real bummer to see plants having problems, especially after doing so much work to try and keep them happy and healthy.
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I agree 100
 
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Daniel0513

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So I'm disregarding my light shock theory. About 8 of my clones I cut from these are already starting to curl in week 3 of veg so can it just be genetics?

On another note! It's almost time!!!! Going into week 8 in a couple days. Can't wait to see what this yields after the devil claw setback.

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Resinhound

Resinhound

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Its not light stress or genetics...your plants have N tox and probably lockouts of multiple other elements...look at the crispy leaf margins..probably K tox too.You are way overfeeding those plants.I realize you are using your friends proven mix but unless you have the exact same environment...his special recipe doesnt mean shit for you.Temps,light levels,humidity,c02 levels etc all play a role in how your plant uses nutrients.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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I was going to add that whenever I have followed the manufactures or someone else's mixing instructions it has been to hot for the most part. Start slow and watch your plants. One of the reasons I switched to hydro is the ability to monitor the nuetrients uptake easily and is great for establishing a base line. I would say as above that you are over feeding but I'm far from being an expert lol.
 
AKGrowAreo

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What is the temp of your water in the reservoirs? Def looks like root rot to me. If you are above 68 degrees in the water then you'll get root rot, for sure. Run a chiller and you will be all good. Also ad Hydroguard if you don't already and that will help prevent future root rot.
 
Budley Doright

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And if your in a cold climate like I am, my grows would start out shit but then the second and third would be not bad then the last grow, before I would head outside for summer, would go all to shit lol. Turns out (well I figure anyways) was the colder floor was keeping Res cooler and roots were staying healthy.
 
GemuGrows

GemuGrows

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My 0.02:

#1, it doesnt look like your using microbes. Get Great White or make Compost teas
#2, that clawing is nitrogen toxicity. With a bunch of different strains running off a single res, your gonna have a bunch of different plants wanting different levels of nutes. IMO until you get everything diald in and figured out, find one chronic strain and mono crop it.

If your heart set on growing a variety with a lot of success, do (organic) soil.
 
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Daniel0513

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GemuGrows said:
My 0.02:

#1, it doesnt look like your using microbes. Get Great White or make Compost teas
#2, that clawing is nitrogen toxicity. With a bunch of different strains running off a single res, your gonna have a bunch of different plants wanting different levels of nutes. IMO until you get everything diald in and figured out, find one chronic strain and mono crop it.

If your heart set on growing a variety with a lot of success, do (organic) soil.
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It's all blue dream....

Also, everything has dried and is being trimmed as we speak!! Will let Everyone know how this all turned out by tonight!!
 
GemuGrows

GemuGrows

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Daniel0513 said:
From the plant
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dang then thats hella strange. Your pics seem to have heavy variance between plants i figured they had to have been from seed.
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^That plant looks super bomb
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^That plant looks a little funky. As you pointed out, so few trichs.

Did you take the clones yourself or did somebody else give u the clones?


Either way if you can keep that dank blue dream around you'll be golden.

I think if you add some type of microbe innoculant to your roots and make sure you oxygenate the shit out of them most of your issues will be solved.

Here is a maximum dissolved oxygen chart:
http://dnr.mo.gov/env/esp/wqm/DOSaturationTable.htm

Pretty much what that means is that no matter how many airstones you put in your water you will not get more oxygen into it than it can hold at a given temperature. It means you need enough air stones to get to that level, but adding more won't do you much good.

Keeping temps lower makes it harder for pathogens to grow in your water and increases your overall potential oxygen level.

Adding microbes keeps pathogens away and helps your plant uptake nutrients.
 
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Daniel0513

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GemuGrows said:
dang then thats hella strange. Your pics seem to have heavy variance between plants i figured they had to have been from seed.


^That plant looks super bomb

^That plant looks a little funky. As you pointed out, so few trichs.

Did you take the clones yourself or did somebody else give u the clones?


Either way if you can keep that dank blue dream around you'll be golden.

I think if you add some type of microbe innoculant to your roots and make sure you oxygenate the shit out of them most of your issues will be solved.

Here is a maximum dissolved oxygen chart:
http://dnr.mo.gov/env/esp/wqm/DOSaturationTable.htm

Pretty much what that means is that no matter how many airstones you put in your water you will not get more oxygen into it than it can hold at a given temperature. It means you need enough air stones to get to that level, but adding more won't do you much good.

Keeping temps lower makes it harder for pathogens to grow in your water and increases your overall potential oxygen level.

Adding microbes keeps pathogens away and helps your plant uptake nutrients.
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I had someone give me these clones. I'm gonna take a guess and say he messed up and gave me a mixed batch.
 
GemuGrows

GemuGrows

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Daniel0513 said:
I had someone give me these clones. I'm gonna take a guess and say he messed up and gave me a mixed batch.
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^I would say that is 98% chance what happened.

I've not seen many super frosty blue dreams, in my garden that frosty blue dream would be a hella keeper. Is the plant 100% dead? do you have any chance to reveg it? Not only was it danker but it seemed to not have near the nute issues that the non frosty plants had.

Or maybe see if u can get cuts from just that plant from ur buddy
 
GemuGrows

GemuGrows

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Daniel0513 said:
Yup! just bagged everything an hour ago

The grand total is...... Drumroll please......

10.92 lbs

1.365 a light

PLUS 2lb's of trim
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Thats nice numbers man!

I'm sure you know but im about to rant:

-If you grow just 1 copy of 1 strain, (clones from a dank mother), every plant will have the same prime enviornment.

Example: You just grew a bunch of blue dreams(from seed or mislabeled clones); maybe you had some indica dominant, some sativa dominant, and just some awkward plants cuz of the clones u got. All of the different "Phenotypes" prefer a slightly different environment, as well as nutrient PPM. If you grow just a single strain you can dial in on the enviornment that specific clone of that mother wants. Maybe "from seed" for example; some plants prefer 1100 ppm, and others will burn at 1100ppm, and at the same time some show nutrient deficiencies at 1100ppm. But if you crop a single genetic of a single strain, you can maybe find your strain likes a total of 1400ppm; 900ppm of base nutes, 100ppm of calmag, 400ppm of additives (just for example). As well as dial in on temp and humidity preferences, when they want to have their nitrogen dropped off (some kush strains eat lots of nitrogen first 4-6 weeks of bloom, where some other strains dont care for it), etc....


If you grow 100% clones from the same dank mother plant, you can dial in on the exact preferences of the exact phenotype you have and grow that phenotype to the best it can be. Thats mainly my suggestion for hydroponics.

Soil, especially organic soil is much more forgiving (in my experience). You can throw a handful of strains in a solid organic soil and generally each strain will grow pretty great, organic soil is very different.

I grow hydro and 100% organic at the same time, mostly so I can learn as much as I can about each system.

If you run 3-4 crops of 100% the same clone genetics, you will have the opportunity to learn exact ally how the strain grows, and exact ally how to grow it better.

You have a dank Blue dream plant, if its still alive in any way, see if you can plant its roots in soil. If it has a single even shitty budsite in tact, it will eventually sprout many tops from that budsite; which can be cloned. I'd gladly grow that blue dream strain. I'm not a toker but blue dream is a great all around strain for just about everything.

For reference, a few nugs from my last harvest a few weeks ago:

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Again though ultimately my suggestion for the next grow, not in any order:
-Supply a lot of oxygen, but this only goes so far(Makes anabolic as opposed to aneropic microbes)
-Add benificial microbes (through compost teas[just ask if you wanna know more] or a microbe innoculant like great white or botanicar hydroguard])
-mono crop 1 single dank clone through your entire garden; if your doing hydro. again its easier to get away with a variety if your running organic soil.



AMA dawg, I used to work at a hydro shop and help people grow their pot better all day!
 
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Daniel0513

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GemuGrows said:
Thats nice numbers man!

I'm sure you know but im about to rant:

-If you grow just 1 copy of 1 strain, (clones from a dank mother), every plant will have the same prime enviornment.

Example: You just grew a bunch of blue dreams(from seed or mislabeled clones); maybe you had some indica dominant, some sativa dominant, and just some awkward plants cuz of the clones u got. All of the different "Phenotypes" prefer a slightly different environment, as well as nutrient PPM. If you grow just a single strain you can dial in on the enviornment that specific clone of that mother wants. Maybe "from seed" for example; some plants prefer 1100 ppm, and others will burn at 1100ppm, and at the same time some show nutrient deficiencies at 1100ppm. But if you crop a single genetic of a single strain, you can maybe find your strain likes a total of 1400ppm; 900ppm of base nutes, 100ppm of calmag, 400ppm of additives (just for example). As well as dial in on temp and humidity preferences, when they want to have their nitrogen dropped off (some kush strains eat lots of nitrogen first 4-6 weeks of bloom, where some other strains dont care for it), etc....


If you grow 100% clones from the same dank mother plant, you can dial in on the exact preferences of the exact phenotype you have and grow that phenotype to the best it can be. Thats mainly my suggestion for hydroponics.

Soil, especially organic soil is much more forgiving (in my experience). You can throw a handful of strains in a solid organic soil and generally each strain will grow pretty great, organic soil is very different.

I grow hydro and 100% organic at the same time, mostly so I can learn as much as I can about each system.

If you run 3-4 crops of 100% the same clone genetics, you will have the opportunity to learn exact ally how the strain grows, and exact ally how to grow it better.

You have a dank Blue dream plant, if its still alive in any way, see if you can plant its roots in soil. If it has a single even shitty budsite in tact, it will eventually sprout many tops from that budsite; which can be cloned. I'd gladly grow that blue dream strain. I'm not a toker but blue dream is a great all around strain for just about everything.

For reference, a nug from my last harvest a few weeks ago:
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Again though ultimately my suggestion for the next grow, not in any order:
-Supply a lot of oxygen, but this only goes so far(Makes anabolic as opposed to aneropic microbes)
-Add benificial microbes (through compost teas[just ask if you wanna know more] or a microbe innoculant like great white or botanicar hydroguard])
-mono crop 1 single dank clone through your entire garden; if your doing hydro. again its easier to get away with a variety if your running organic soil.



AMA dawg, I used to work at a hydro shop and help people grow their pot better all day!
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Thank you for all the advice! I really appreciate this! During all of this, we thought it was 100% blue dream and during all the problems, we thought something was wrong with those particular clones and didn't even think that maybe it was a difference strain. It totally makes sense to have 100% of a strain to just focus on that and perfect their nutes intake and everything else.
 
GemuGrows

GemuGrows

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Daniel0513 said:
Thank you for all the advice! I really appreciate this! During all of this, we thought it was 100% blue dream and during all the problems, we thought something was wrong with those particular clones and didn't even think that maybe it was a difference strain. It totally makes sense to have 100% of a strain to just focus on that and perfect their nutes intake and everything else.
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Exactally!

When you perfect a strain you can learn a lot about how the plant grows in general; especially specific strains. Even when you move to a different strain you learn a ton more by picking apart the differences. All the while you max your quality and yield by making sure your running specific clones.

Also it adds another aspect of control to your garden's environment; and will help you master your environment.
 
AKGrowAreo

AKGrowAreo

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Daniel0513 said:
So today I was inspecting my room just cause I need to be on top of things and I came across one bud that was obviously not looking right. It is only this one bud on the entire plant and all the other ones on the plant are fine and growing. Can someone tell me what this is or what it's from and what I should do
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I know this one is from a while ago, but I have this happen when a fan leaf rubs on the buds. I always have a couple looking like that cause I pack my plants in there real tight. Sometimes I remove the fan leaf causing the friction, other times I just let it do its thing.
 
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