New Office Grow Room

dude just go fo about 2k of lights and personally i wouldn't grow autos they do my head in and dont seem worth the yeild but its your grow but yeah back you the size of your room this is just my 2 cents,

i would add at least 2k or 4x600 as 2x600 would just cover that size the foot print of a 600w is 5ftx5ft so yeah i would do the space but the outer few ft when the plant gets dence is going to suffer but with 4x600w in a square thats 2 lights per 5ft5ft well tecnically 1 lights per 2.5ft2.5ft and when you do split the room you gave the extra 2 lights for there. that's what i would do if i was doing all that effort

I'm not down with the autos either...I could never understand the sense of them...I like being in control of the plants destiny....instead of the plant being in control of mine

Thanks for the reply guys.

There are a few reason I choose to only grow autos.

1. They can withstand a colder climate threw out there live compared to there strains.
2. Most auto strains grow short (not all). But allow me to move them to another location if needed within my house without issues. As the alternative grow area is only 4 foot high.
3. Shorter Life Span. Perpetual harvests requiring less room to harvest more frequently. ever week to every other week.
4. No need to worry about light leaks as the photo period is different and the plants can be checked on 24/7.
5. Yields are good for the short photo period they do receive. If you take into consideration the time it takes to set up and run a normal strain. Seeds, clones, or the alike. Subtracting around a month of grow time allows for more plants to be grown and produced. with in the same time as a normal strain. Over a years time. There for depending on the system you set up will get you more plants in a shorter time and possible around the same yield depending on strain used and environment.
6. Plants do not require as much light either. Some people will disagree but you can grow out an auto and receive the same amount of bud from under a 600 watt as you would under a 1000 watt system. They do not have the requirements that non auto strains have. Allowing for a little lower yield but over time a stead around the same yield if your room is sustained for any period of time.
7. Each strain has its own characteristics. You can use certain strains for certain things. If you want a large plant. They have them. If you want a short plant. They have them. If you want a any type of hybrid. They have them. There are many options and you are able to pick the one to suit your area. Plus they are great for stealth grows as some strains are pretty much breed for it. Out doors they produce heavy yields. Can be small and compact. So if your a gorilla grower you can hide hundreds of plants easily without the massive plants being found here or there. They can also be planted int he middle of the woods near another tree with indirect sunlight. Without an impact on yield. Try that with a non auto strain. They fight other plants for the space and require some direct light for high yields.

There is a load that is not understood about autos. One of the biggest is the photo period. No one really knows what light is required per strain for optimal growth. As all the strains seem to be different. They do well both indoor and out door. And I even know a few people who grow a plant or 2 on a window sill. Try doing that from start to finish with a non auto strain.

People tend to be confused with the autos from the first strains that came out on the market. Lowryder. The original lowryder anyways. There yields sucked was more of a full body high then a head high. They were fun to grow but did not perform anywhere near what a Indica or stavia would. But the new strains the ones that are stable anyways are pretty damn close to performing close to what the non auto strains do. As they are crosses and rebreed to be better, bigger, and more potent then the original auto-flowering strains.

If your looking for auto-flowering strains that grow big. Look up an Amazonian auto-flowering strains. They are great for outdoor growing and can grow 8+ feet high. And yield well over a few pounds per plant. However these plants do take longer to grow with the veg cycle beyond that of a traditional auto-flowering strain. But you can still get more then one harvest out doors with these compared to a non auto-flowering strain. Typical veg is between 60-110 days depending on the cross and strains used. Still allows for 2 harvests compared to 1 with non auto strains. Sometimes 3 harvests. Again depending on strain and environment.

There are 3 main types of cannabis Indica, Sativia, and Ruderalis. And within these 3 categories are many sub species of these plants. Each one specific to in term of characteristics. But can be breed to gain other characteristics from the other category. Ruderalis can be a weird plant as everyone has really only know Indica and Sativia. There is less knows about Ruderalis then the other 2 categories combined or even if they were not combined there is still less known.

This is one of the main reasons I want to grow autos only. To breed and seed. They have always been an interest to me and I find them interesting and fun to grow. Plus they are harder to kill with temps as they can grow in varying temps. So room setup for indoor growing can be less then par compared to Indica and Sativa strains. You do not have to worry about lower temps in a grow room only the high temps. Which leaves out one factor to a perfect grow room. A perfect grow room is not needed.

Another thing to think about. The post that I quoted. These strains can save on your electric bill as I know some of you tend to always talk about there light cycles and the reason you use the cycle you do is because of your electric bills. you can replace your 1000 watt system with a 600 watt system for autos and the yields will not suffer. They always stay around the same. I know people will argue about this. But I have followed and documented many auto grows since I have started growing. It does not seem to matter what light you use as long as you have enough light for the plant to grow. 600 compared to the 1000 watt systems will only give you a bigger footprint to grow with and not larger yields.

I have been studying the Ruderalis strains pretty much since i started growing. Which has been almost 6 years now. I stopped growing for a while but have been creeping on others grows and had the pleasure of watching a bunch of people in my area and other areas as well grow out Ruderalis strains. There is alot that is still unknown but there is a load more today known then a few years ago.

There will be a day when the Ruderalis strains will out perform your traditional strains. Not all of them but they will do better then most. Once the key factors have been learning which people have been getting close to. There are a few strains already that outperform some of your indica species. That is definitely a plus for the Ruderalis strains.

There is one huge problem with the auto-flowering strains. They are hard to breed with non auto-flowering strains. As when they are breed most of the time they will not keep there auto-flowering traits. So it makes breeding a auto a little more complex then breeding Indica or Stavia crosses. But it can be done but the results are harder to achieve then normal.

Anyways I think i am done for now. But this is some of the reason I choose to only grow and breed auto strains. Even though there will be a few non auto-flowering fems mixed into the room from time to time. As I do need the Indica and Stavia strains to breed with.

So this is some of the reason I wish to grow only Auto-Flowering plants.

well seems like you've done your research man. can't wait to see what you can do!

Cool thread. I enjoyed seeing the before and after. Looks like you did a good job. A partnership usually ends up being a bad idea but I wish you luck. Lay down ground rules in the beginning so there's no misunderstandings. I speak from experience. Started off with a partner, been a sole proprietorship for some moons now. Can't wait to watch you get it popping. Did you end up building your secret entrance? +rep

Took a while to get back to you guys. Sorry about that. Still waiting on lights but otherwise I'm set to go.
I know having a partner can be a hassle and bring trouble but he wants to learn and then he will be on his own. Ground rules have already been set. He knows what he is getting and how the end deal is going to work. He even set some of it himself. I think we will be find. After we get everything going he will be setting up his own setup in his own house. So it is not really long term just a learning experience for him.

But glad you guys are here to take a look. Can't wait to get the stuff rolling here. Just need them Damn lights.

Ill keep you updated

Hey guys been a long few months since I have been back on here. Havn't had much time to get you guys an updates. Room is still in process. Walls are all up, Fans are in place, Only sporting a 400W HPS at the moment in there however. But its better then nothing. Currently only have a "?" strain. Was a give me type of deal. Was outside in full bloom stretched and looked unhealthy. She in re-veg and showing some massive growth during the re-veg. She is about a foot and a half tall at the moment. I will add a few photos when I have a chance to take some.

HOWEVER....................................

I do have a few beans a poppin.

Strain #1: 3 X KC45 Auto Fems Stativa/Ruderalis
Strain #2: 3 X Nothern Lights Auto Fems Indica/Ruderalis
Strain #3: 1 X NON-Auto Fem Skunk

Its been almost 24hrs since I started germinating these little girls. 2 beans have started to open. All new supplies coming in on Tuesday.

Setup: 2 X 10 Gallon totes. DWC: 1 - 1 site and 1 - 6 site. 400 watt appollo HPS 54,000 lumens, 4 X 4' T5 fixtures at around 3000 lumens for supplemental lighting. Will be upgrading to 2 - 600s soon and adding another 400 as well.
Also need to build the DTW system. For now going with the DWC until I have the additional parts needed. Had it built once and then needed the parts for other projects. Now I have to rebuild most of it. Oh well. DWC works well any how.

For nutes: im using GH FloraBloom, FloraMicro, FloraGrow. Easy to use easy to fix mistakes

Also, Started a Lady Bug colony. Ordered another 1,500 bugs and plan on breading them in the area as I have had a few problems with aphids and such.

Sorry its been a while guys. I'm here and back at it again.

Beans are a poppin. 5 out of 7 so far. 2 more kc45 s need to pop. pic when they are in and rootin.

Ammastor said:

Hey Guys. Been a long time since I have been here. About 4-5 years or so. I do believe. Could not access my old account. Don't remember my user name or email address used to register. So I created a new account.

Anyways. I am in the process of building a new office space for my business and wanted to incorporate a grow room withing the space that I have for the office. I want a room not a closet for growing this time.
The room that I have is an attic that is unfinished and needs a floor put down. slanted roof with a chimney a little off center. I do plan on using the chimney for all venting purposes. As it is not used for anything else and will not be in the near future.

The usable space that I have available is roughly 40' x 16'. So I am sure there will be room for a pretty good sized grow room as I do not need a huge office space. However what I wanted to do was build the office with a walk-in closet that will have a hidden door in the rear to enter the grow room.

Here are a few pics of the space I have available.
Needs flooring but that will be done within a few weeks.
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What my idea was for the first grow in this new room was a 4-8 plant DWC style grow. Had enough of soil grows.
Once I have the floor plans done I will know more about what space I will have and see how many plants I can fit in this space and decide what lights I will need.
I was thinking some where around 8'x6' or 8'x8' room. Roof hieight aries with the rafters and such and a few support braces that are in place. lowest part of the space is 6' peak is 8'. 5 foot where I will end each end of the room on the slant.

Plans will change depending on how the room is built.

I will be working on the plans here in a little while. I will upload the floor plans once completed.

I have only done CFL grows 2 plants at a time and I think it is time to kick it up a bit and build a real room.
Pretty much starting from scratch.

Let me know if you guys have any ideas or comments that you would like to share. Would be greatly appreciated.

welcome me back and let me know what you think.

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i can feel som1 getting busted here good luck and if any1 asks u dont no me

I am well aware of the risks involved. I support the cause that is never going to go away. I love this plant and have since I was younger.

A few things. No one comes here. It is just myself and my family. No one has ever been allowed in the attic to begin with. I do not speak of herbs, plants, or glowing besides on here. I still have one helper which I trust with my life. He knows the ramifications if he speaks of what we are doing. I do not mean on the law side of things either. Small town no local police. Everything is ordinary here. I leave no signs of purchases unless I need to. I buy semi local. (not in my direct area) and pay cash. Unless I need something I can not get local. I only use prepaid cards when I do need to buy online. I know there is still a paper trail but its better then being linked to my personal or business accounts. I do have access to local surveillance cameras and notice just about anything out of the ordinary that happens here in this small town. We are all pro gun in this area as well.

I know the risks and plan on taking them as I have for a few years now. No one is ever safe. Especially now a days if you have the internet.

Ill be updating and showing pics once everything is fully set up.

As for an update now. All beans have popped and I Will be placing them in there homes sometime today.

Thank you for the concern I hope it doesn't really come true. lol

All beans are in there homes.

3 X KC45s Auto Fem
3 X Nothern Lights Auto Fem
1 X Nothern Lights X Skunk Norm Fem

Will be following with picks here soon. Ended up going with poor mans Hempy Buckets. Still need some parts for the DWC/Flow

Here are some of them. I know some of them are in clear containers. I will be covering these here soon. Not to worried at the moment as there are no roots anywhere near the edge yet. In a few days I will covers the clears. I usually use the 3" net cups you see in the containers as a support anchor when they get bigger. The larger containers hold the KC45s and the one North Lights X Skunk. As they will get the biggest and drink the most. Otherwise I will have to move them around daily to make sure they all get the light they need.

The one plant that is there and is stretched is one of the ones that was given to me. It was covered in spider mites as you can see from the leaves and also it is currently in re-veg. I hate the way the leaves look. But it is still growing out. granted it had a load of stretch when it was started. As you can see from the pic. About 8" of stem with nothing. There are 2 small areas that are showing tiny leaflets though. So we will see what and how it does.

Lol I was looking at the plant and the leaves look more like spinach leaves. I hate revegging. We will see how she turns out.

However. She was pollinated. but has been dipped and cleaned. So I do plan to pull some seeds from her. That will pretty much be about it.

here is some more pics.

Doing alright. Slow. Which they are autos they don't do a whole lot until roots hit there spot.

But soon they will be runnin.

just an update.

One of the pics are of the lady bugs I have in the room. I have a colony I am raising. And they do do there jobs.

The one in reveg is starting to come back and is showing it normal leaf characteristics. Only took about a week

The seedlings with the yellow tips are the KC45s. Seems like every time I grow these this happens. Not entirely sure why. But they always come back greener then ever.

Progress!! Nice!!!!

Could the yellowing tips be from nutes? A tad hot for that strain at this stage??

What is your method again?? I didn't read back to see what you are growing in. Hydroton and perlite??

There are no nutes being used not for at least another week. It seems like every time I grow KC45 they do this in the beginning.

Well it was suppose to be RDWC but I had use some of those parts for other projects. Do at the moment they are in plain ol hempy style containers.

The perlite is the main medium and the hydroton is just there. I usually use it to block some extra light directly on the perlite. Around the stem. I usually use more so there are cracks but. At the moment I would have to say they are more for ornimental then anything. Pretty much what I have left I used. Otherwise its just hempy in perlite. I do use hydroton thought to block the drin holes so the perlite doesn't flow out as I use a 1/2 in hole for the drain.

Cool... So maybe the yellow is a lack of nutes?? I know my recently sprouted plant yellowed on me because it was in a soil that just did not support the plant with nutes. I swapped out the soil for some of my super soil and she has taken off like a mad girl!!!

I wanna try the hempy thing soon. I have a few bottles of Canna nutes that I wanna use up but I need to pick up an air pump that is not loud as heck and can push a bunch of air. It will supply my water res and a hempy along with the pond out back during the winter months so it doesn't freeze solid and make fishsicles....

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Cool... So maybe the yellow is a lack of nutes?? I know my recently sprouted plant yellowed on me because it was in a soil that just did not support the plant with nutes. I swapped out the soil for some of my super soil and she has taken off like a mad girl!!!

I wanna try the hempy thing soon. I have a few bottles of Canna nutes that I wanna use up but I need to pick up an air pump that is not loud as heck and can push a bunch of air. It will supply my water res and a hempy along with the pond out back during the winter months so it doesn't freeze solid and make fishsicles....

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I am really unsure really. All of them but one now are showing yellow. All are showing growth now as well. One is starting a node section already. Can't wait to see what they do.

I just use the GH flora nutes. Easy to use and loads of people use and have good grows with them.

I started in soil when I first started and tried hydro. Never go back. Seems growth rates and recovery is all massive compared to soil. seem to get more veg and such in a shorter time.

I need to get a good air pump. Wanna hold atleast 10 galons of water and eventually automate things a little. Want to make all air powered though. Don't want water pumps just all air powered everything. 1 pump can be split to water and aeration. Kinda neat really.

Here is some updated photos of the little girls.

And a few of my lady bug farm. lol

More on the lady bug farm please!!