New oxygen technology in RDWC DWC pot grows

dstroy said:

Everything you just said was complete nonsense. You can't compare apples to oranges, the drag racing analogy makes zero sense and doesn't correlate to anything plant related.

I do use less nutrient than some methods, but not by an appreciable amount 1.6EC.

The warmer the solution the faster the DO reaches equilibrium, not "dissolves", it's already dissolved.

An ideal, completely controlled environment would take you farther than adding this piece of equipment.

Yeah yeah, great, you grew a plant. How about a whole plant pic pre harvest? Does it look bad or something?

I'm not poking fun, because I grew some shitty plants as well. But I learned from my mistakes from careful observation, which you seem to have a lot of trouble with and constantly look for bandaids to fix fundamental problems with your environment or nutrients.

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Excuse me: Dissipates, not dissolves .

Here she is pretrim

rkymtnman said:

are you J Henry's sock account?

don't you think if this pseudo science from o2grow increased yield by 2%, EVERY commercial hydroponic producer from apples to yams would use it?

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That's exactly what I was thinking myself Rky, that it reminded me of Jhenry, lol.

PetFlora said:

i have searched diligently to find someone using it to no avail

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so this tech is the best thing since sliced bread but nobody uses it?

that "should" tell you something (I hope)

PetFlora said:

Iv spent a lot of time researching this subject, and diligently hunting for an actual cannabis grow with ZERO result, I think it will work.

The question is is it worth it? And I think that's a YES, too. Here's why.

I ve been saying it increases nutrient bioavailability, and here is the proof: https://www.just4growers.com/stream/...droponics.aspx

ALSO, smaller bubbles stay in suspension more than 4 hours, means you can eliminate a chiller, that alone means it could easily pay for itself.

I think any negatives can be mitigated by only running it for ~ 3-5 minutes before and after each flood

So, if one is running say the OxygenGrow system (UC on roids) it's unlikely you would 'need' it for DO, but if it really allows for a huge reduction in nutrients , say with a 20 gallon rez (~ 6 pots)), AND, make the nutrients more bioavailable, OR, that because the O2 stays in suspension you can eliminate a chiller, it could easily pay for itself. But then there's a whole nother potential use- drinking it to keep healthy or get healthy

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Before and after each flood?...Are you referring to Ebb&Flow or Flood/Drain systems?...And leave the water to sit totally stagnat in between the 3-5 minutes before and after each flood? .Also, what do you mean drink it to keep or get healthy?...As in put your res water into your body?...I'm not sure what else to think 'Drink it to keep healthy or get healthy' would mean. If no one uses these devices then there is more than likely not enough research on the results of this device for anyone to objectively say it is beneficial, and I do not mean research about the biological and physics and chemisty the device utilizes, but the actual device itself, has literally no documented research by any professional that is willing to say 'I stand behind this device and it's producers'.

Logan Burke said:

Drink it to keep healthy or get healthy' would mean

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i think he thinks it would do something like alkaline water or water that has it's molecules "aligned" . aka snake oil.

lol what happened to just using air stones?

PetFlora said:

Does anyone need 600 hp on the streets, let alone 800?

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Yes.

Why does this keep getting revived...

I probably shouldn't comment in this thread because i don't use air stones and haven't used my new 1/0 hp chiller yet.. My grows have never seemed to have suffered from a lack of dissolved o2.. I'm only judging form the results i get from my highly modified waterfarm grows... I tried using one air stone in my reservoir, but found it added too much heat, and i took it out after a few days. I have to admit it was only a 5 gal reservoir for two waterfarms.. My waterfarms only circulate about 5-6 gals an hour each.. To keep down on the added heat i also don't use submersible or non submersible water pumps.. The drip ring in each WF is what i use to move the water from the reservoir.. Gravity returns the water to the reservoir..

I depend on the +/- 9 liters of hydroton in the waterfarms to keep the dissolved oxygen at a sufficient level... It's the surface area of the hydroton that adds oxygen to the water..I've never had any root rot.. I guess a couple pics of the WFs are in order.. here's a link in an attempt to avoid being hit with all the shit being passed around..

https://www.rollitup.org/t/sun-systems-lec-315-reviews.742794/page-12#post-12557511
https://www.rollitup.org/t/sun-systems-lec-315-reviews.742794/page-11#post-12522688

For some reason the second link comes out on a pic of a coco/perlite plant in the same room.. Scroll up to see the finished waterfarm plants..

rkymtnman said:

so this tech is the best thing since sliced bread but nobody uses it?

that "should" tell you something (I hope)

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Nobody believed the steam engine (Fulton's Folly), or the horseless carriage... Let's face it, most of the population (including cannabis growers) are set in their ways, and don't care to think outside the box. The tech is sound, how much it will benefit cannabis is anybody's guess, BUT, it should replace a chiller for the same money, so ...

PetFlora said:

Nobody believed the steam engine (Fulton's Folly), or the horseless carriage... Let's face it, most of the population (including cannabis growers) are set in their ways, and don't care to think outside the box. The tech is sound, how much it will benefit cannabis is anybody's guess, BUT, it should replace a chiller for the same money, so ...

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You're stuck inside of a small o2grow box and can't think outside of it, there is no way that device can ever replace a chiller because it doesn't pump heat. Comparing apples to oranges again.

Why don't you just buy it instead of trying to convince someone else to buy into it?

PetFlora said:

The tech is sound

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you keep saying this and one sentence later you say you can't find anybody that is using it.

not sure if that qualifies as irony or just plain stupidity.

like @dstroy said buy it yourself and show everybody in a side by side how great it is or isn't.

Yes, that seems to be the consensus

Her's an article that calls it into question, BUT, it does not include cannabis

http://www.just4growers.com/stream/hydroponic-growing-techniques/airing-out-the-truth-on-dissolved-oxygen-in-hydroponics.aspx

dstroy said:

You're stuck inside of a small o2grow box and can't think outside of it, there is no way that device can ever replace a chiller because it doesn't pump heat. Comparing apples to oranges again.

Why don't you just buy it instead of trying to convince someone else to buy into it?

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"I" do not see my comparisons as apples and oranges, but you are entitled to your opinion

what doesn't pump heat?

the emitters only need to be on ~ 5 minutes after each flood, and even if the rez temps are higher without being cooled down and are ~ 80- 85*s way beyond optimal, the nanobubbles are said to stay in suspension (and not just by Dennis from O2Grow) until agitated (a flood)

So, yes I wiil stop bringing this topic up until I put one in use