Your avatar is the shit...Umm do those product bring the pH up??? Wierd most of my nutes and additives bring it down down down LOL. But, to bring your water pH down you need pH-down (acid). I use general hydroponics pH-down liquid and it work very well imo. I usually use about 1ml per 10 gallons to bring the pH down by .1. I wouldn't recommend using any home products to mess with pH cause they don't have much of a buffer.