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beelzebub

beelzebub

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Hello everyone, I found this forum a while back but haven't really been checking up. This is my second grow and I'm having some problems. For some reason, my girlies are DYING! ACK! What's happening to my babies!? I just moved them from the baby room to the grow room last sunday (a little over a week ago). I've already lost one of them, and three more seem to be going in the same route. There were a couple things I did differently this grow. For one, when moving them straight into the grow room they were put into bloom. So they were on a full 24hour cycle of flourecent lights in the baby room, to bloom. Also, it got pretty hot the first three days until I got it taken care of, around 95F. It was taken care of so if it's heat stress they should be bouncing back and not dying off, right? Also... we used blackstrap molasses in the nut mix this time. I actually ended up draining the water with the molasses and replacing it with the regular nutes I use.

For some reason they slowly wither away and die. It actually looks as if they're not being watered, but they are. Their cubes are always nice and wet, and the water flow is really good. At first they look a little droopy, then they start to get a yellow-ish green. Then they simply wither away completly.

As I said earlier it's already killed one plant, and three more look as if they're following in their sister's footprints. Not sure why this is happening to some but not all... any thoughts? Help? I don't know what to do!!!

-Beelzebub (sad sad sad)
 

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beelzebub

beelzebub

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A little more info: This is their first week in bloom... they were actually in veg for a bit longer than anticipated.... had some cash issues and they needed to be in baby room a few weeks longer than they should have been so they got pretty tall. Their light sched is 12/12 off/on, also they are only using one light that switches ever night. Having two lights on made the room too hot in the summer so this was the only thing that got it under 85F. Now it doesn't move over 80 (yippie).
 
beelzebub

beelzebub

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Another bit of info:

The leaves although they look very crispy are actually very soft and papery. They almost feel like soft tissue paper, I seem to be losing more... what could this be?
 
conepuller2299

conepuller2299

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kk beelzub, you could have a few problems going on right now
1. your nutes, they look liek thye could have nute burn, when you say u added nutes with mollases, then you "drained" them and added more, if ur in hydro i cant really help u, but if ur in soil, by draining do u meaned u flushed it? i.e added 3Xamoun t of water that the pot can hold - please elaborate on this
2. the swith from floresuents to what i assume is a HPS is stressful to the plants, going form such a weak light to such a strong one can literally burn them up like your explaining
3.it could actually abit of overwatering "their cubes are always wet" =/ if thats not hydro then that could well be the problem

please give abit more info on the setup/lighting

and if u can, turn off ur hps to take photos as it completely destorys the photos detail to colour, rkeon ucould take sum without a hps on em?
 
beelzebub

beelzebub

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Hey there... sorry pretty new to everything.

I'm working with hydro, I've got two High Pressure Halogen lamps (one is on at night 'cos having both on makes it too hot). Here's the pics with the lights off. Also, would over watering make them wither away and die?

As for the setup, I'm a little stupid when it comes to lingo so bare with me.

12 buckets hydro - clay rocks
two water pumps
two HPH lights on a 12 hour cycle 12 on 12 off
they were put into bloom a week ago, last sunday
I've got a carbon filter in the corner that's about 3 feet tall... i'm actually getting a bigger one today.

There is a vent going from outside the room into the garage, at the moment it's a bit ghetto so there is a hampton bay steel industrial fan in that vent hole sucking cool air from the outside.

The watering cycle is 30 min on 60 min off for the entire day cycle and once at noon during their "night" cycle.

I have the lights on 7pm - 7am

Hope this is all the info you need as I said I am a total noOob with noob sauce :D

-Beelzebub
 

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Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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High pressure halogen light? Unless that was a mistake, halogen is not the type of light you want.

It does look like overwatering plus heat stress, although overwatering is hard to do in an ebb and flow. Having them flooded for 30 min seems a bit much. Normally It's like 10-15 min 4-6 times a day, although every situation is different. Do you have an air pump in your res? Keep that water very oxygenated.

You didn't mention your Ph or feeding schedule. I hope you are keeping those in mind when trying to solve this problem. Also, why are you using molasses? IMO, a grower needs to do a few grows with only the very basic things a plant needs, and once you accomplish that, start experimenting with enhancements. Or else, keep a 'test' plant to experiment on before changing your crops regimen. One last thing I would check is the condition of the roots. Are the roots nice and white? Do the rocks appear to have salt build up?

Your setup looks nice, I can tell you've spent some real time on it. Wish I could be more help; truly sad to see those girls suffering. Good luck.
 
carokann

carokann

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cut the plant all the way down, then see if it grows back after you flush it. after a week give it light nutes.
 
beelzebub

beelzebub

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Yeah HPH was probably a mistake... I used molasses 'cos I have an experienced grower helping me out... however he's been unable to come over. He's comin' over today... lets hope he has some answers. I'll have more info when he's come and gone... see you then!
 
beelzebub

beelzebub

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Ok, so my friend came over and thinks it was stress... he gave me the nut set up so I don't think it was nut burn. It's possible the shock of being transplanted... plus heat, plus an onslaught of new nutrients just knocked them out? Not sure. I've unplugged the hoses from the rings of the buckets that are looking overwatered. I'm going to see if they perk up better... I can't imagine why it would look like that from being overwatered so it's beyond me. This is just the soloution that is always dripping from their reservoir so I'm not sure what you mean by feeding sched.

They're watered 30 min on and 60 min off during their day cycle (12 hours)

Nut Setup: (ML per 5gal bucket)

Micro: 50
bloom: 100
floralicious: 5
kool bloom: 25
molasses: 1tsp per bucket
(omitted molasses, did a full drain of the reservoir and buckets and refilled with no molasses)

I have had one other grow before this which yielded about 15oz for 11plants. Pretty good quality if I do say so myself :D
We don't do PH tests... haven't done it before. No salt buildup on the rocks, they're nice and brown. Roots are white but some of them haven't pushed out of the blocks yet. Even the ones that are all fracked up are still kickin' white roots so I dunno WTF is happening.

It is sad to see my girls suffering... I wish I spoke plant ; ;




-Beelzebub
 
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snocat

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I grow in dwc and when I tryed molasas it drove my ph way high,from 5.8 to 7.8 so you may want to check your ph it is very important to check your ph often I wouldnt put much trust in someone that doesnt check ph and ppm of nute solution daily. theres plenty of info here if you do the reading. its best to learn for yourself then you know. good luck
 
Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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There is no way to diagnose plant problems in a hydro setup without knowing the ph of both your solution and the run off. I am not saying you can't grow without checking PH, im saying you can not rule out PH problems, and ph problems are always among the first things to consider with any unhealthy plant. A PH test kit costs less than the change I find in my couch.
 
beelzebub

beelzebub

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Yes! I meant a high pressure sodium light! I'm a total noOob so please bare with me.

I do believe my friend tests his PH... I'm not sure why we didn't get one. How much to the testers cost? Do I need test strips? Is it based off of alkaline/acid? Which is better? Your help is appreciated!

-Beelzebub
 
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