new to growing need some advice..

I'm new to growing and have been doing a lot of research on hydroponic and aeroponic systems.. Being a beginner I figure that the DWC setup be a good starting point to learn..but I was also wondering if a 5 gallon bucket DWC setup would be able to support 4 plants.. I know that the root systems need room to grow and wanted to know if there is sufficient room in my planned setup. The only reason I ask is because I've seen kits sold online with the 4 plant setup and wondered if it would be okay for marijuana.. Thanks for any tips or advice!!
 

ruby6666

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hi, i dnt know about that setup, but if your interested in aeroponics and a begginner, i would reccommend the
aerogarden. u can pick on up online for about $150, it so simple and compact, pretty much takes care of everything, i will post my pics so u can see, ive had mine growing from seed since 28th sept. when they get too big tie them down.

and if u do go with it, get the dellux model if available, it will give u 24 inches in hieght as apposed to 12 inches that i have.

check out the ag guide, and good luck
 

ruby6666

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sorry forgot the pics, having trouble downloading, check out my album, just click on my name and profile
 
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Illegal Smile

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The aerogarden and a bucket with 4 plants are both examples of not enough rootspace to support anything but a small plant. A 5 gal bucket will have less than 4 gal of water, you could do 2 decent sized plants in that but not 4. If your plan is for small plants then fine.
 

Night Claptoman

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You could alter the plant growth to go where ever you want.
Large root mass promotes stronger plant that grows faster.
If you flower it soon and use certain fertilizers you could get a big plant with small root mass, that will grow pretty slow compared to a plant with more roots, but will not rootbound and will do just as fine.

I grow in soil, with 25 liters (a bit over 6 galons if I recall correctly) for each plant, growing the plants around 1.5 meter high.
More space is much better than not enough space.

Healthy plants will take a lot of water as well. using 5 galons rez. with a max of 4 galon of solution will need a lot of refilling.

I, myself, would rather use a big reservoir and attend to it less. If i got a galon of root mass I would like to get around 10 galons of solution at least. That way I can only change the water once a few weeks and not every 3-4 days.


However, I never grew aeroponics, or DWC.
I find it way too exhausting to do all that work and monitoring all thoes little details.
This is my 5th run, and I'm just trying hydro using coco\perlite mix.
Hydro is way less forgiving than soil, but it grows much much faster. Using coco\perlite I get a lot of benifits:
It doesn't requier ANY different pots or setup than soil plant, and thoes are way easier to obtain.
It is hydro, it grows fast and it have just about the same qualities.
I have no need to monitor any temperature at the roots, at the reservoir (I manually feed my plants once every 3-4 days because I use pretty big pots compared to the root mass) and I don't have to buy all thoes fancy meters.
I don't check my EC and PPM, although I would like to. However, I got a hard water formula to use with my tap water and a chart for how much to fertilize and it works like a charm.
I don't need no air pump, no air stones, no water pump and drippers (altought I have them at hand to water my plants if I need to go away for over 4 days), no reservoir and no nothing.
I don't need the space to contain all that gear.
I have no issues with any algea or such things as usually bother other hydro growers using different method.

That why I like my coco\perlite. Everyone have a different setup and different needs. However, for a beginner, I would recommand a coco grow as it requiers WAY less initial investment.
You would only need to buy:
Lights, vents, reflective material (and a hood for the light, if you got the money an air cooled one is preffered), temperature and humidity meter. Thoes you need no meter how you grow.
For coco you will need:
Coco. I like coco and perlite mix, 50\50. some use coco coir and all sort of things, I only have that mix available.
Pots. the same as soil ones, nothing special. I use clear plastic cups with holes cut in the bottom for my new plants as they veg. I can see how many roots form and bound and know when to move them.
Catch trays for the pots. Some like it, some rather expose of the drainage as it contains salt buildups and such. I like the catch trays as I don't have a way to put away the excess water.
Digital PH meter. don't use the strips or the solutions and all that, its just too much work. A cheap one from hong kong bought from eBay is just fine. (and if it doesn't work well they DO replace it)
PH down solution to lower the PH and baking soda for PH up. You can use vinegar, lemon juice and all sorts of other things to lower PH but the solution oriented for plants is really cheap and works better.
Hydro fertilizers. Some manufactures got ones specialized for coco, and some have hard water and soft water versions.

And you can spend more money on:
A fan to push air around your room. It helps alot lowering humidity, keeping the temps at bay and promotes stronger stems and overall healthier plants. You can go aroud this one if you use a strong vent for your exhaust and it will cause enough movement. I always rather use a seperate fan and find it very important.
Reservoir+ water pump+ pipes+ drippers+ small water pump to circulate the solution. That if you want to use auto-watering.
EC\PPM meter. With one you can push more fertilizers and yet don't burn the plant. It will help it grow faster and you can keep track of whatever the plant needs to use on your next run.


Compare that to your initial investment in DWC, aeroponics or whatever and decide what you rather have.
Almost all of the things you will buy for a coco grow can be used for any other hydro growing method.

I don't say its better, I say its easier and costs less and I would myself rather go that way for my FIRST grow.



Good luck with whatever you choose.
 

appleseed

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I am a new grower myself. I harvested my first plants a few days ago on Thanksgiving. I built a dwc system and have been using it, but not for MJ yet. My expeience lately as a newbie: I've read books and posts and articles. I already had a couple plants (2 in 1 pot) started and I started to apply what I learned. I also built a bubbler system as described in "The cannabis grow bible" by greg green. I've learned all about PH levels and chemicals and nutrients. Resevoir temps, fluid oxygenation, nutrient up-take... In the mean time my kush plants in soil have been growing right along with basic care while I learn all about hydro. I'm studying cloning and humidity and light cycles, while my little bushes in soil just keep happily growing. Air baths, wet root formation, nft, dwc,ebb and flow. My plants in soil are doing great and I'm about half way thru the grow cycle on these. If you are in a hurry go 12/12 from seed for a faster crop but in my opinion soil is the place to start. Learn the plants and basic nutition/care then move on if you want. Cheaper to start as well.
 

Night Claptoman

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hydro is easier as you have everything you need in numbers.
soil is cheaper, requiers much less attention and is way more forgiving for mistakes.

To me, coco\perlite is pretty much the same as soil - add 5ml of hesi COCO, PH to 6PH, water. Only difference is that I need to water twice as much.
However, my coco\perlite plants grow MUCH MUCH MUCH faster. thats the main difference, for me, between hydro and soil. in DWC its even faster than coco. In aeroponics its even faster than DWC.

Everyone can grow marijuana in soil. just put it in, water with tap water and if it looks really pale add N fert. when you start to flower start giving high P and K. thats about it.
To grow healthy, potent, fast growing, high yielding, tasty marijuana it takes a bit more.
 

tyke1973

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Has long has you keep your eye on the water in the main system then it should be fine just more work might be needed.But it is best to get into the habbit of not getting too lazy when you first start growing.It could be to your be benefit because you will have to make new nutrients up more often.Alot of growers have the habbit of makeing too much feed up and then have it hanging around for weeks.Then they wonder why the plants have all kind of problems and most of these can be avoided by makeing nutrients up has u need them that way the ph is bang on the money every time.I started with a nft system but just because there was a litre or so of water left in the main tank at the end of the week did not mean i left it there i always made new up at the same day ever week so the plants always had new set nutrients.
 
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