New to outdoor growing 420

Gond00s

Gond00s

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ganga gurl420 said:
Agreed fully... 25 is as small as I would go outside but for a new grower... if you have to go small it should be fabric in my opinion. I used to start by filling up old totes that I difnt use anymore. But you are right...needs to be bigger
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yup some people like going way bigger some like going with 100 gal pots which are crazy beasty plants. what I would like to be able to grow just one outside only if :(
 
ganga gurl420

ganga gurl420

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Gond00s said:
yup some people like going way bigger some like going with 100 gal pots which are crazy beasty plants. what I would like to be able to grow just one outside only if :(
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Yeah last time I did 400 gallons... but since i cant grow there this yr... I can only do 50.
 
rockethoe

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ganga gurl420 said:
Yeah last time I did 400 gallons... but since i cant grow there this yr... I can only do 50.
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I never understood the benefit of pots outside, unless your guerrilla growing, and moving every year. I figure maintaining a healthy no till bed with plenty of mulch\winter cover crop, allows the plant access to as much space as it likes.

I'm sure you have valid reasons though, you know what your at, so what are the benefits to using pots over a maintained permanent bed?
 
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ganga gurl420

ganga gurl420

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rockethoe said:
I never understood the benefit of lots outside, unless your guerrilla growing, and moving every year. I figure maintaining a healthy no till bed with plenty of mulch\winter cover crop, allows the plant access to as much space as it likes.

I'm sure you have valid reasons though, you know what your at, so what are the benefits to using pots over a maintained permanent bed?
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The soil here is not suitable for in ground. Well not where I was growing anyways. Its 100% rock hard clay. I tried to grow in it for yrs with all kinds of different methods but we get A LOT of rain in the summer. The clay would act as a bowl and turn the soil I back filled into the holes into soup. There would be standing water on the ground for sometimes a week or more, and about thr time it would start to dry up, it would rain hard again for days.
That is actually the reason I built my boxes using nylon window screen for the absolute best drainage possible.
However the spot i have picked for the next grow seems to be mostly sand with loam. So i will be just doing 50 gallons this yr but then will be buying different land and plan on doing a more no till approach in the future (depending on what that soil may look like)
I'm a huge fan of the no till and think its absolutely amazing..... I just need to find an area where the natural soil has better drainage and is more forgiving.
 
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PeterJFT96

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Oh ye so both n will u send me step by step how u done it of u dont mind mate soo looking forward to uk weathers this yr only getting hotter n hotter each yr I will try 25,30 gal Pots.
 
ganga gurl420

ganga gurl420

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PeterJFT96 said:
Oh ye so both n will u send me step by step how u done it of u dont mind mate soo looking forward to uk weathers this yr only getting hotter n hotter each yr I will try 25,30 gal Pots.
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Okay first you need to know what the directions are on the particular brand of nutrients you are buying.
Like mine says use 2 cups of nutrients for every cubic foot of soil (which equals to about 7.5 gallons of soil)
So if I were you I would get the bucket or tote pr whatever you use and have my pre measured out nutrients on hand (2 cups to start out with)

I would start adding the soil like around 3 gallons worth and then pour about 3/4 of a cup evenly onto the soil and I would really mix it into that soil.
Then I would add another 3 gallons on top of that, then mix in another 3/4 cup full and basically keep repeating that until your bucket is 3/4 full of your mixed in soil.

At this point I usually take the bulb food and sprinkle a good couple hand fulls all over the soil... then take your plant and place it on top of the dirt.

Then start filling in the side around your new transplanted plant.... and keep adding a bit of the nutrients ...working it into the soil still until the whole tote is filled up.

It works better to transplant your plant if the soil your plant is in is a bit on the dry side. Too wet and it can RIP the roots when you transplant.

After everything is done give it some water...and you are ready to go.

I would recommend adding some mulch to the top of the soil to help it not dry out so fast.

Good luck
 
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PeterJFT96

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Hi mate been lil busy past few days so will it just be the happy frog and jobes I just need and what size bags will I need for the 4 thanks mate.
 
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PeterJFT96

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Yoo ganga gurl420 I am unable to make orders outside of uk for the jobes and happy frog have u got any resolutions for the 2 I can order or buy In uk preferably to what u recomend thanks mate as making my orders now thanks.
 
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PeterJFT96

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Have u heard of growmore fertilizer ganga gurl420 have a google and see tell me if u think that okay and the happy frog to mate thanks.
 
Pete Jones III

Pete Jones III

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ganga gurl420 said:
My point was the bottled calmag is a man made manufactured source. Never once said that there is enough calcium in water! This is why I didnt want to argue because this poor guy is asking for help and now the thread is hijacked with an argument over this.

If you would have read what I wrote to him to begin with... I stated that one should use a tomato fert because of the high calcium content then just add some epsom salts when you water. Boom ...all the calcium and mag you will need for your grow. And btw... the dry ferts I use ask you to top dress once a month.

You stated that the nutes do not last and that you have to keep on adding them the way I do it. Umm so you only add calmag from the bottle once to your coco?

I never once said anything about perlite. I don't use it ... I dont need it. All soils are different.

So once again my point is... if you are using an organic compost and want to add dry nutes to it just water with Epsom salts (magnesium and sulfer) which a bag of it is cheap as could be and will last for many many grows. And as far as organic growing goes.. hard core organic growers stay away from bottled nutes like that. We are more tempted to use things like lime and Epsom salts before we go grab a bottle of liquid. Soil doesnt have the issues that coco does. That is why I wont grow in it.

The proof is in the pudding buddy... no perlite (tho I dont know why you even brought it up) and actually nothing added for drainage for that matter
And not once was calmag used. Not deficient on anything so please before you tell me to brush up on my knowledge... you should see my original signs of deficiency.
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ganga gurl420 said:
My point was the bottled calmag is a man made manufactured source. Never once said that there is enough calcium in water! This is why I didnt want to argue because this poor guy is asking for help and now the thread is hijacked with an argument over this.

If you would have read what I wrote to him to begin with... I stated that one should use a tomato fert because of the high calcium content then just add some epsom salts when you water. Boom ...all the calcium and mag you will need for your grow. And btw... the dry ferts I use ask you to top dress once a month.

You stated that the nutes do not last and that you have to keep on adding them the way I do it. Umm so you only add calmag from the bottle once to your coco?

I never once said anything about perlite. I don't use it ... I dont need it. All soils are different.

So once again my point is... if you are using an organic compost and want to add dry nutes to it just water with Epsom salts (magnesium and sulfer) which a bag of it is cheap as could be and will last for many many grows. And as far as organic growing goes.. hard core organic growers stay away from bottled nutes like that. We are more tempted to use things like lime and Epsom salts before we go grab a bottle of liquid. Soil doesnt have the issues that coco does. That is why I wont grow in it.

The proof is in the pudding buddy... no perlite (tho I dont know why you even brought it up) and actually nothing added for drainage for that matter
And not once was calmag used. Not deficient on anything so please before you tell me to brush up on my knowledge... you should see my original post and why I said what I did.
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And btw this next pic here is a plant I let go natural in my soil mix... the soil had not been amended or touched in over a yr. I did not feed or water it not once the whole season and the top cola was a q.p. showing no signs of deficiency.
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Holy hell ! Whats in your soil recipe ?
Is the high calcium what makes them so massive?
 
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