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You are looking too far into the term "derived from". All their products are derived from salts, not just bloom b, and are not derived by proteins. Just because you add a few specks of salt to a glass of water doesn't mean it's salt water. Every website out there says its protein based and none say salt based. I only took a few chemistry classes so I could be missing something, but this has come up before and this is exactly what the Cyco rep said.
 

Resinhound

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I don't have a link, but it's a protein based nutrient, not salt based like pretty much every other product line on the market. It's crazy how clean your system stays when you ditch the salts.
These "salts" are things like potassium,phosphorus,nitrogen...you know..the stuff that plants actually use to make sugars from photosynthesis,its not table salt dude,lol.unless its a full organic grow utilizing the foodweb,these "salts" are required. The product you referenced has plenty of these salts included ofc so it isnt total snakeoil at least,but hardly groundbreaking.
 
I know it isn't table salt... And I don't use kleanse because I don't have any salt build up. At all. Even after running my system for months. So why do they, as well as many other websites, say it's protein based when all of their products do not list proteins but still list salts? Not one website says any of their products are salt based. I'm not saying it doesn't have salt in it, I'm just curious as to why the differing reports.
 

Resinhound

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I know it isn't table salt... And I don't use kleanse because I don't have any salt build up. At all. Even after running my system for months. So why do they, as well as many other websites, say it's protein based when all of their products do not list proteins but still list salts? Not one website says any of their products are salt based. I'm not saying it doesn't have salt in it, I'm just curious as to why the differing reports.
Because the cannabis community is the only agricultural community that falls for wasting money on the "lastest advancements" in plant growing technology...the world survives on ammonium nitrate used on our food supplies...commodities like corn,wheat etc,etc.How many iowa farmers do you see putting advanced nutrients or some bullshit "protein based"crap on their million dollar fields? The cannabis community has been brainwashed into all kinds of nonsense mainstream agriculture wouldnt even bother looking at.
 
Crazy how there are commercial companies that use Cyco, and if farmers were smart they would use it too. Desertification is more costly than protein based nutes. And Cyco makes some awesome berries at the local berry farm with NFT techniques...

And the way Cyco uses the "derived from" salts is they turn them to amino-acid chelated minerals (protein based) instead of acid cheated minerals (salt based). This is why it's pharmaceutical grade, and why it's a protein based nutrient.
 

Resinhound

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Crazy how there are commercial companies that use Cyco, and if farmers were smart they would use it too. Desertification is more costly than protein based nutes. And Cyco makes some awesome berries at the local berry farm with NFT techniques...

And the way Cyco uses the "derived from" salts is they turn them to amino-acid chelated minerals (protein based) instead of acid cheated minerals (salt based). This is why it's pharmaceutical grade, and why it's a protein based nutrient.
If farmers were smart...what a stupid thing to say...they grow commodities by the million of pounds...their whole life depends on their harvest,you dont think they are going to use the most cost effective and successful fertilization program to increase their yields?come on man open your eyes,you dont need snakeoil to grow healthy,bountiful plants.Mindless masses shuffling on through...make way.
 
If farmers were smart...what a stupid thing to say...they grow commodities by the million of pounds...their whole life depends on their harvest,you dont think they are going to use the most cost effective and successful fertilization program to increase their yields?come on man open your eyes,you dont need snakeoil to grow healthy,bountiful plants.Mindless masses shuffling on through...make way.
There are entire communities in the world that get wiped out because of current farming techniques. Although they are saving money now, it will cost even more down the road. I was a farmer and a rancher, I have nothing but respect for them because they do work that I gave up on. But I learned through my sustainability degree that it's just a crisis waiting to happen.
 

Resinhound

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Ya so the alternative is to pay $20 a liter for fertilizer for a 10000acre field?damn man..that shit would starve us all in short order.The bullshit you are brainwashed into buying isnt going to fix how the world works,its just serves to drain your pocket and make others rich.
 
I'm not brainwashed, I made up my own decision that I would like to have substantial more bud each harvest. I spend less with Cyco than I did with H and G or my friend who has my same hydro system but uses canna...and with better results and soooo much less labor. And I'm not saying all farmers should switch to Cyco as I know that's not economically feasible in this country... I'm just explaining using salt is the reason why so many people are growing corn in this country. If some of the poorest third world countries can change their agriculture practice so can we.
 
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rkymtnman

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I'm just explaining using salt is the reason why so many people are growing corn in this country.
every commercial farmer uses salts to grow, even Cyco. no matter how much you argue, potassium nitrate, calcium nitrate, etc are ALL salts. they all come in huge bags that say manufactured by Dow, AkzoNobel etc. the same salts that Cyco buys to use in it's water bottles
 
every commercial farmer uses salts to grow, even Cyco. no matter how much you argue, potassium nitrate, calcium nitrate, etc are ALL salts. they all come in huge bags that say manufactured by Dow, AkzoNobel etc. the same salts that Cyco buys to use in it's water bottles
No crap. I never said they weren't salts. Quit putting words in my mouth. It's how the nutes are made and not what it contains. If you live near the springs I would be more than happy to explain it in person.
 

Resinhound

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It doesnt matter of you eat corn or peanuts dude,a turd is still a turd no matter how you make it.

Potassium phosphate is potassium phosphate.

Now you can buy potassium phosphate OR you can buy some bullshit that has potassium phosphate included for alot more.But in the end your plant is utilizing the same thing..potassium phosphate.
 

BobCajun

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For humans to use chelated minerals they need to metabolize the chelate compound in order to make the mineral available.
No crap. I never said they weren't salts. Quit putting words in my mouth. It's how the nutes are made and not what it contains. If you live near the springs I would be more than happy to explain it in person.
The important thing is that they work. What I notice from their site is that there's no ammonium nitrogen. That may be a good thing. Most other nute lines have ammonium, even in the bloom ones. I have a feeling that ammonium may cause more stretching and also might cause harshness.
 

rkymtnman

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I never said they weren't salts.
Every website out there says its protein based and none say salt based
sorry but that's exactly what you said.

i live really close to the springs. maybe i should explain it to you instead since you don't seem to get it.

every synthetic nute is chelated too.

cyco may be good nutes but they aren't re-inventing the wheel.

they are salt based. case closed.
 

since1991

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For humans to use chelated minerals they need to metabolize the chelate compound in order to make the mineral available.

The important thing is that they work. What I notice from their site is that there's no ammonium nitrogen. That may be a good thing. Most other nute lines have ammonium, even in the bloom ones. I have a feeling that ammonium may cause more stretching and also might cause harshness.
Actually ammonium nitrate is how plants get thier nitrogen outside. Especially c3 plants. For co2 enriched gardens plants use ammonium nitrate way more efficiently than calcium nitrate. C3 plants spend an enormous amount of energy assimilating nitrates.....and ammonium nitrate has its advantages
 

since1991

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All nutrient brands in the hydro stores are over priced....extremely. All brands do the same exact thing pretty much if you use them correctly. With the aid of an electrical conductivity meter and a ph meter....you will not see much of a difference in brands with all other factors being equal. This is a fact. Brand wars and loyalty is absurd in this "industry" and as long as the essential minerals are provided in the right proportions and at the right time....they play a very small factor in whether your crop is banging or not. Genetics, lighting, plant environment, and grower skill trumps nutrient brands everytime all the time.
 
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