New to the game. Nutrient help!!!

BowHunter666

BowHunter666

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hello, been messing around with a couple plants to get my tent and everything dialed in just right. One dela haze is going that was severely stunted (I didn't have the heart to wack her) ANYWAYS!! I have a couple OG super skunk seeds and I want an opinion on what's the best nutes for veg and bloom!? Organic would be awesome but I don't know where to begin. Any help would be great. 5 gallon buckets with organic soil and compost
 
Medizzinman

Medizzinman

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I use Iguana grow and bloom two part as base nutrients. They are organic, mild, and keep things lush and green. I start them at about 3 weeks old in happy frog soil.
 
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az2000

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BowHunter666 said:
Organic would be awesome but I don't know where to begin.
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See my sig. Everything I do is documented there. I do a combination of organic (for taste) and synthetic (for immediacy). It works really well. Myself and friends noticed a big difference after switching from all-synthetic General Hydroponics (now Scotts, Monsanto-friendly) Flora 3-Part.

I don't use "calmag" and I don't ph. It's fairly simple and works. Costs about $1 per plant, per grow. No cartoon labels like Fox Farms and Advanced Nutrients. No pedophiles like Advanced Nutrients.

The cannabis nutrient market is predatory with multi-bottle "lineups." It's not necessary. It's proprietary, opaque, keeps you focused on product names like "Dirty Sanchez" instead of what the plant is actually eating.
 
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az2000

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BowHunter666 said:
Do you have a link to it ?
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The link in my sig? It's this: https://forum.grasscity.com/blog/10656/entry-13868-how-i-grow/

MiracleGro Tomato works well too. I'm growing a plant with it right now. A lot of people will tell you it's not suitable for cannabis. But, so far, my experience has been very good. I think it gets a bad rap because many new growers reach for it, then it gets blamed for what are otherwise new-grower problems. Or, it becomes conflated with MG soil (which I wouldn't use. Or, only the Organic Choice. Everything else is too hot or too moisture-retaining).
 
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Skunk Baxter

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az2000 said:
The link in my sig? It's this: https://forum.grasscity.com/blog/10656/entry-13868-how-i-grow/

MiracleGro Tomato works well too. I'm growing a plant with it right now. A lot of people will tell you it's not suitable for cannabis. But, so far, my experience has been very good. I think it gets a bad rap because many new growers reach for it, then it gets blamed for what are otherwise new-grower problems. Or, it becomes conflated with MG soil (which I wouldn't use. Or, only the Organic Choice. Everything else is too hot or too moisture-retaining).
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You, too? The nutrient companies would have you believe MiracleGro is worse for your plants than brake fluid, but I think that's just another example of conventional wisdom turning out to be at best somewhat exagerrated. About 7 or 8 years ago, just for the sheer hell of it, I did an entire outdoor grow of Northern Lights with nothing but MiracleGro, start to finish, including their Bloom Booster in the flowering phase. In all honesty, I was hoping for better bud size, but the plants were very healthy for the entire grow, and the taste was fine.

I think someday I may go all out and do a true experiment - just take 10 clones, top water 5 of them with Canna or House and Garden and the other 5 with MiracleGro, and let a group of tokers see if they can tell the difference. I think it would be an interesting thread when I finished.

That reminds me - do any old hands recall a thread from 6 or 7 years ago that was named "It's All Bullshit!", or something like that? One of the regular members at the time (can't recall his name, but he was a really cool guy) living in California and growing with a card, did an outdoor grow with just basic nutes and no bloombusters or secret potions or rocket fuels or anything, and I think he got like 2 pounds on just one plant. Just a good, basic, all-purpose nute line, nothing fancy at all. I don't think it was MiracleGro, but it sure wasn't a pallet load of 20 bottles of Advanced Nutrients stuff, either.

I probably have some of the details wrong, because it's been a few years, but the point was he was shocked to realize how much money he'd been wasting over the years. Just one more reason I believe in keeping it really, really simple.
 
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captainorganic79

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I love organics but indoor growing is about pulling off max yields or its not worth the risk. Hydro is the way to go and it is probably better for the environment. Advanced nutrients is designed for growing the plants we love specifically. Don't use miracle grow that crap will never flush out its toxic. An is made of food grade ingredients.
 
$14bill

$14bill

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BowHunter666 said:
hello, been messing around with a couple plants to get my tent and everything dialed in just right. One dela haze is going that was severely stunted (I didn't have the heart to wack her) ANYWAYS!! I have a couple OG super skunk seeds and I want an opinion on what's the best nutes for veg and bloom!? Organic would be awesome but I don't know where to begin. Any help would be great. 5 gallon buckets with organic soil and compost
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Read teaming with microbes it's a good place to start its not about cannabis specifically but it is easy to understand and most applies to cannabis
 
$14bill

$14bill

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az2000 said:
See my sig. Everything I do is documented there. I do a combination of organic (for taste) and synthetic (for immediacy). It works really well. Myself and friends noticed a big difference after switching from all-synthetic General Hydroponics (now Scotts, Monsanto-friendly) Flora 3-Part.

I don't use "calmag" and I don't ph. It's fairly simple and works. Costs about $1 per plant, per grow. No cartoon labels like Fox Farms and Advanced Nutrients. No pedophiles like Advanced Nutrients.

The cannabis nutrient market is predatory with multi-bottle "lineups." It's not necessary. It's proprietary, opaque, keeps you focused on product names like "Dirty Sanchez" instead of what the plant is actually eating.
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There is no such thing as a combo of organic and synthetic when u add the synthetics you are killing the micro life with organic it's all organic or it's not organic
 
vino4russ

vino4russ

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I agree with az2000, MiracleGro get a bad rap. Most folk plant issues are incorrect plant maintenance and watering practices rather than fertilizer problems. I have used MiracleGro with great success and can't find a taste different to other nutes used.

I do however prefer Alaska line and Epsoma products seem to work for me. I used an old NAVY term......KISS (keep it simple stupid) for most growing, and it is true.......you don't need a basket full of nutrient to grow cannabis/plants. Good luck
 
MisterBlah

MisterBlah

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$14bill said:
There is no such thing as a combo of organic and synthetic when u add the synthetics you are killing the micro life with organic it's all organic or it's not organic
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The point to using organic and synthetic fertilizers is to gain many of the benefits of organic as well as the benefits of synthetic fertilizers. In organic fertilizers, you find amino acids and occasionally some hormones in addition to your more normal NPK, Ca, Mg, etc. You add synthetic fertilizers to it all to boost your NPK, Ca, Mg, and sometimes your micro nutrients. This gives you the best of both worlds, and no it does not kill the microorganisms you might find in some organic soils/fertilizers. It feeds them and it does so faster, UNLESS you overdose the synthetic and create a nutrient toxicity. However, you are absolutely correct that unless it's all organic, you cannot, by law, call it organic farming.

BowHunter666 said:
Wouldn't the synthetic act just like a chlorine additive does to natural water?
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If the synthetic fertilizers have a chloride anion, then yes, it will. Otherwise, the mechanism is very different. With chloride in solution, Cl-, you will kill most of the living organisms, good or bad. If the fertilizer blends do not have chloride, then it will take a nutrient toxicity OR a pH that is too high or low to kill the micro-organisms. The levels needed to kill a micro-organism with a nutrient toxicity are often way above the levels needed for the plant to experience a nutrient toxicity. However, a high or low pH can do it pretty easily if you are using beneficial organisms in a hydroponics solution.
 
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churchhaze

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$14bill said:
There is no such thing as a combo of organic and synthetic when u add the synthetics you are killing the micro life with organic it's all organic or it's not organic
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Urea is both organic and synthetic at the same time. What do you think of that? It's the main ingredient in miracle-gro and jacks classic btw.
 
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$14bill

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High NPK numbers are bad they may not kill all the microbes but they will kill myco fungi and without mycoriza you can't absorb the goodness created by the microbes so the organics are useless
 
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$14bill

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churchhaze said:
Urea is both organic and synthetic at the same time. What do you think of that? It's the main ingredient in miracle-gro and jacks classic btw.
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Myco fungi will not survive with urea. When you take something organic and add synthetic you now have synthetic you can't have a proper organic garden with synthetics
 
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