Newbie concentrate question...:)

Hi all -
I live abroad. When visiting over the summer, I brought back some gummies and wax via my handbag. It was concealed in plain sight in my makeup kit, and I wasn't really concerned with detection unless somebody was reallllly looking for it. Sure enough, no problems at all. On reflection, how lucky did I get? I assumed it would be difficult to scent. Any thoughts or suggestions if I'm bold enough to do it again? Lol! Thanks! oxo

They are geared to detect plant material, not concentrates, so I've had no issues traveling with my cannabis meds in the same bag as my other meds, and shaving supplies, etc. If you are feeling paranoid, you can pick up a small jar of balm, etc, and replace the contents with your meds.

Same for gummy bears. It is unlikely they would recognize what they are, if they find them.

The real question is… what about sniffer dogs?

The Groff said:

The real question is… what about sniffer dogs?

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Certainly not an issue thus far.

Fadedawg said:

Certainly not an issue thus far.

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Fadedawg… you mean you've never come across sniffer dogs right? Knock on wood bro… Those dogs can smells canna vacuumed packed inside the gas tank, just by sniffing around the car and wheels.

Be safe!

Ethan Russo cites a 1973 paper (in German) as claiming customs/police dogs are trained to respond to the scent of caryophyllene oxide, a sesquiterpene [citation below]. If this is accurate, your concentrate's terpene content may be a determining factor. Mind you, the paper is 43 years old. I wouldn't be surprised if police forensics and sniffer dog training have changed significantly in that time.

Stahl E, Kunde R. Die Leitsubstanzen der Haschisch-Suchhunde. Kriminalistik: Z Gesamte Kriminal Wiss Prax. 1973;27:385–389.

The Groff said:

Fadedawg… you mean you've never come across sniffer dogs right? Knock on wood bro… Those dogs can smells canna vacuumed packed inside the gas tank, just by sniffing around the car and wheels.

Be safe!

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I've seen lots of sniffer dogs, but seemingly none were trained on concentrate.

Shayno said:

Ethan Russo cites a 1973 paper (in German) as claiming customs/police dogs are trained to respond to the scent of caryophyllene oxide, a sesquiterpene [citation below]. If this is accurate, your concentrate's terpene content may be a determining factor. Mind you, the paper is 43 years old. I wouldn't be surprised if police forensics and sniffer dog training have changed significantly in that time.

Stahl E, Kunde R. Die Leitsubstanzen der Haschisch-Suchhunde. Kriminalistik: Z Gesamte Kriminal Wiss Prax. 1973;27:385–389.

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I heard that too, but caryophyllene is common in other sources, so seems like they would get a lot of false positives.

Fadedawg said:

I heard that too, but caryophyllene is common in other sources, so seems like they would get a lot of false positives.

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Yes, it would certainly seem that way. Quite a few medicinal plants and their derivative products contain caryophyllene. I suspect this monomolecular approach to drug dog training is a thing of the past (if it ever was the case). Perhaps they're trained to respond to caryophyllene, but only when combined with patchouli.

Shayno said:

Yes, it would certainly seem that way. Quite a few medicinal plants and their derivative products contain caryophyllene. I suspect this monomolecular approach to drug dog training is a thing of the past (if it ever was the case). Perhaps they're trained to respond to caryophyllene, but only when combined with patchouli.

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Patchouli might also get a reaction from the handler, which the pup would for sure pick up on. They may also be smelling their breath and what is exuding from their pores...........

I would think the monoterpenes in combination would be the louder signal to a dog. Our German Shepherds can hear food wrappers crinkling through walls, over loud music, and you can't hide any food from their nose. Monoterpenes pass through double baggies, so that even I can smell them, soooo it must be like the library of Alexandria to the pups.

As I under stand it, the reason that they can stick such a delicate instrument fractions of an inch from ghastly stenches, and savor it, is that they smell the individual constituents, as opposed to the combined smell like we do. That means they would know all of the terpenes present, which would make it easier to tailor a training mixture excluding most false positives.

Locally they've stopped training them to sniff for cannabis, or so they say, so the pups may be sniffing for explosives or other contraband.

Dogs may not be trained for X compound, but if they understand they're related they'll quickly pick up the association, and will signal to earn their reward.

I don't know... I've always had dogs and love training them (as in family setting), and they never fail to surprise me. They're quite intelligent creatures. So what am I saying? Don't take anything for granted!

Be safe! That's it.