newbies increase your yields with these tips

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brotherjericho

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Cant we just grow the way we want and suggest our beliefs instead of using them as a weapon in a fight? :hug:
This thread is directed towards newbies so they can increase yield and decrease problems, no? They have not had much opportunity to formulate solid opinions on what is best for growing, so questionable information should be challenged. That is what I have been doing. Some of the advice given in this thread could lead said newbies in the wrong direction.
 

applepoop1984

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This thread is directed towards newbies so they can increase yield and decrease problems, no? They have not had much opportunity to formulate solid opinions on what is best for growing, so questionable information should be challenged. That is what I have been doing. Some of the advice given in this thread could lead said newbies in the wrong direction.
you dont have any evidence to support that claim. iv sourced almost all of my tips from reliable sources and before this thread, you had no idea that cadmium could be uptaken by plants. you still believe water does not remove cadmium from the soil. you also believe microbes cant remove cadmium from the soil. you also believe h2o2 cannot remove cadmium from the soil. i dont need to post anymore sources for you. you are a fool. your not on here to help any new growers. your here to blow smoke up arses. you still have not proven that flushing is detrimental. i have proven it is valuable in removing heavy metals from soil. you have yellowing of your leaves 2 weeks into your grow. you have no place in a newbie forum other than learning. chlorosis after 2 weeks lol. iv never had chlorosis 2 weeks into any of my grows. further more out of my 25 tips youv only been able to find fault in 2, the dolomite lime tip and flushing. and right now your only clinging to the ph tip in hopes that you might come out looking like you were right all along.
 

brotherjericho

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What claim? All I've said is some questionable advice should be challenged. Is that a claim? No it just makes sense.

I have not claimed flushing is detrimental, please point out where?

Where did I say H2O2 could not remove cadmium?

I think you are starting to get a bit too personal here, going into other threads to insult me for no reason. It really is sad and reduces your credibility.
 

Trousers

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you dont have any evidence to support that claim. iv sourced almost all of my tips from reliable sources and before this thread, you had no idea that cadmium could be uptaken by plants. you still believe water does not remove cadmium from the soil. you also believe microbes cant remove cadmium from the soil. you also believe h2o2 cannot remove cadmium from the soil.
You have made a lot of dubious claims based on studies that do not really relate.
You are misleading noobs.

Why do you want to flush those microbes away?


i dont need to post anymore sources for you. you are a fool. your not on here to help any new growers. your here to blow smoke up arses.
stay classy

you still have not proven that flushing is detrimental. i have proven it is valuable in removing heavy metals from soil.
You have not proven that flushing is beneficial. You jabbered about clay a bunch.

you have yellowing of your leaves 2 weeks into your grow. you have no place in a newbie forum other than learning. chlorosis after 2 weeks lol. iv never had chlorosis 2 weeks into any of my grows. further more out of my 25 tips youv only been able to find fault in 2, the dolomite lime tip and flushing. and right now your only clinging to the ph tip in hopes that you might come out looking like you were right all along.

You are wrong about a lot more than that. You have a tenuous grasp of RH and you still haven't explained why it is good to flush away beneficial microbes.

Go ahead and call me a troll and a fool then spell "you're" wrong again.


Congratulations on your abortion of a thread.
 

applepoop1984

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What claim? All I've said is some questionable advice should be challenged. Is that a claim? No it just makes sense.

I have not claimed flushing is detrimental, please point out where?

Where did I say H2O2 could not remove cadmium?

I think you are starting to get a bit too personal here, going into other threads to insult me for no reason. It really is sad and reduces your credibility.
"You really cannot properly flush out heavy metals that are not in solution already, and you won't get them into the leaching water using just acetic acid."

"If you really think about it, flushing to remove heavy metals is a waste of time."

"Furthermore, when you flush, the plant will then suck the life out of the fan leaves where much of the metals get stored" REALLY? lol

"Boost bacteria with H2O2...evidence?Oxidise cadmium with H2O2...evidence?"

yes evidence:View attachment 2703517

most aerobic bacteria have enzyme catalase, which is responsible for shielding them from damage from h2o2. most anaerobes lack enzyme catalase and are killed by co2. even if they have catalase they are killed off by the highly oxygenated environment fromt he h2o2. killing off anaerobic microbes leads to the proliferation of aerobes improving the soil.

"Almost all aerobic microorganisms use catalase. It is also present in some anaerobic microorganism"

Brioukhanov AL, Netrusov AI, Eggen RI (June 2006). "The catalase and superoxide dismutase genes are transcriptionally up-regulated upon oxidative stress in the strictly anaerobic archaeon Methanosarcina barkeri". Microbiology (Reading, Engl.) 152 (Pt 6): 1671–1677. doi:10.1099/mic.0.28542-0. PMID 16735730.
 

applepoop1984

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You have made a lot of dubious claims based on studies that do not really relate.
You are misleading noobs.

Why do you want to flush those microbes away?




stay classy



You have not proven that flushing is beneficial. You jabbered about clay a bunch.




You are wrong about a lot more than that. You have a tenuous grasp of RH and you still haven't explained why it is good to flush away beneficial microbes.

Go ahead and call me a troll and a fool then spell "you're" wrong again.


Congratulations on your abortion of a thread.

ahhh the grammar nazi. in case you forgot, we arent in middle school anymore. btw, it seems you have more than one account on here. now tell me why is that?
 

applepoop1984

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What claim? All I've said is some questionable advice should be challenged. Is that a claim? No it just makes sense.

I have not claimed flushing is detrimental, please point out where?

Where did I say H2O2 could not remove cadmium?

I think you are starting to get a bit too personal here, going into other threads to insult me for no reason. It really is sad and reduces your credibility.

hey trousers how are ya?
 

brotherjericho

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"You really cannot properly flush out heavy metals that are not in solution already, and you won't get them into the leaching water using just acetic acid."
H2O2 is not acetic acid, that would be C2H4O2. Please learn your chemical formulas.

"If you really think about it, flushing to remove heavy metals is a waste of time."
And? I asked you to show where I said it would be "detrimental".

"Furthermore, when you flush, the plant will then suck the life out of the fan leaves where much of the metals get stored" REALLY? lol
"Really, lol"? That's quite the retort.

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Boost bacteria with H2O2...evidence?Oxidise cadmium with H2O2...evidence?"

yes evidence:View attachment 2703517
I asked for evidence that peroxide oxidizes cadmium. All you've shown is how it can be used to help remove it. Note that nitric acid was also used, do you even know what for? Perhaps there is a reason for both of the chemicals, not just one.

most aerobic bacteria have enzyme catalase, which is responsible for shielding them from damage from h2o2. most anaerobes lack enzyme catalase and are killed by co2. even if they have catalase they are killed off by the highly oxygenated environment fromt he h2o2. killing off anaerobic microbes leads to the proliferation of aerobes improving the soil.

"Almost all aerobic microorganisms use catalase. It is also present in some anaerobic microorganism"

Brioukhanov AL, Netrusov AI, Eggen RI (June 2006). "The catalase and superoxide dismutase genes are transcriptionally up-regulated upon oxidative stress in the strictly anaerobic archaeon Methanosarcina barkeri". Microbiology (Reading, Engl.) 152 (Pt 6): 1671–1677. doi:10.1099/mic.0.28542-0. PMID 16735730.
I can see that, I was thinking you meant H2O2 directly boosted aerobic bacteria.
 

applepoop1984

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H2O2 is not acetic acid, that would be C2H4O2. Please learn your chemical formulas.



And? I asked you to show where I said it would be "detrimental".



"Really, lol"? That's quite the retort.

"

I asked for evidence that peroxide oxidizes cadmium. All you've shown is how it can be used to help remove it. Note that nitric acid was also used, do you even know what for? Perhaps there is a reason for both of the chemicals, not just one.



I can see that, I was thinking you meant H2O2 directly boosted aerobic bacteria.

if it were both at the same time there wouldnt be two lines on the graph now would there? did you forget how to read charts? lol im having fun now

if you cant grasp a simple concept like oxidation youre out of luck
 

Jeffdogg

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This thread is directed towards newbies so they can increase yield and decrease problems, no? They have not had much opportunity to formulate solid opinions on what is best for growing, so questionable information should be challenged. That is what I have been doing. Some of the advice given in this thread could lead said newbies in the wrong direction.
And getting into arguments with people is helping? Sounds more like the problem you speak of to me. :roll:
 

brotherjericho

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And getting into arguments with people is helping? Sounds more like the problem you speak of to me. :roll:
Technically, whenever you debate issues, you are "arguing". Can't be helped. The approach can however. If one person constantly tosses out insults as part of their argument, they begin to lose credibility. That has been happening quite a bit, and I try my best to stay away from that approach. As you can see, some others do not. Including the OP, who has been quite eager to insult those who question his views. That is when it all breaks down.

This is a discussion forum. People are here to share views, but they are also here to try to ferret some valid information out of others. If I tell you you should do XYZ to be more effective at something, I should give reasons to back up my assertions. I should also be willing to argue my point if I am challenged, and admit when I am wrong when presented evidence.

What would modern science be if anyone could come along and present hypotheses and not be challenged to support them? It is part of the process of finding the truth of the matter. If I tell you that masturbation causes blindness, I better be prepared to give you evidence it does so!

The OP presented several points he believes to be valid. Others disagree with him on many of them. At that point, should the newbie who reads two conflicting views just toss a coin? Or should said newbie find out why a certain view is valid? The latter obviously.

Gardening anything is a learning process for most people. There are several ways to get a good product at harvest time, but there are also several ways to screw things up.
 

LetsGetCritical

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"a study on different soil types concluded that 100% perlite in a hempy bucket is the preferred way to grow. it yielded 1.5 grams more on average than the other soils tested in a series of control groups etc. since this is in the beginner section i would not recommend a hempy setup" This makes it sound like Perlite is a soil. Perlite is amorphous volcanic glass, is inert and has no nutritional value. There is nothing difficult about hempy, and I'd go as far to say that the Hempy method should be recommended to new growers especially.
 

Jeffdogg

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Yeah i was gonna do a 5gal hempy bucket, the method with one 5gal inside the other, apparently theres a few different methods.Gonna do it with a seed or 2 im getting rdy to order. Some people use vermi too, I guess its user preference :-o
 

LetsGetCritical

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yeah, holds a bit of moisture, I initially wanted a little vermiculite, our local hardware sells this mix and I've stuck with it. Straight perlite would allow better aeration though.
 

Cannaba

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I say mother nature has a greener thumb then any of us around here so I always take it with a grain of salt when I see tips advising people to do odd things to their plants that could never occur in nature, such as 48 hours of darkness. I have also had the chance to compare flushed plants with non-flushed plants and the ones that I watered until it poured out the bottom had half the root mass of the ones that I just kept to a suitable level of moistness. Still let the dirt dry on top between waterings. I find too much water seems to pack my soil down and not allow for as much O2 penetrartion to the roots. going to totally try air stone in water before giving to plants from now on and see if that helps. If you don't go crazy with the nutes then you should not have to be flushing the crap out of your plants. Bottom line I found is that the best teachers are trial and error and experimentation. When you hear a new trick, try it on some but not all so you can compare and see if it is worth while. - Cannaba
 

Trousers

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ahhh the grammar nazi. in case you forgot, we arent in middle school anymore. btw, it seems you have more than one account on here. now tell me why is that?
It has been odd watching you devolve from someone who thinks they know it all, into a completely unbalanced, crazy person that thinks they know it all. Your ego is getting in the way of presenting information effectively. It was a bunch of bad information and I don't think any new growers will think this thread is worth a shit, so I guess it is really no harm. Except to applepoop's fragile mind.


If you want to believe that I have numerous accounts, report me to the mods, Big Fella. When they get back to you to tell you to leave them alone, then will you tell me why it is beneficial to wash away microbes?

Or are you just going to continue your tantrum over your terrible thread?


You probably imagined that noobs across the country would gather outside your house to carry you on their shoulders while smoking fatties of perfectly flushed weed. Then onto a book deal and of course the movie offers would pour in. Then the chicks, oh man the chicks.

Hold on to your dream.
 
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