I seen games that he was wide eyed and pretty clueless those first 2 years, you could see his athleticism,strong arm,scrambling ability, but his decision making and touch throwing the ball were definately lacking. I will retract bust because you could see the raw talent worthy of him being a high draft pick but it did'nt look at that time that he would become a top 5 NFL QB that I now regard him as. As far as the Pat dynasty it's time to clear out the pink hats over here anyway it alway's disturbed me seeing young Brady fans who knew nothing of the franchises history of being a downtrodden laughingstock. Me, I go back to the Steve Grogan and Jim Plunkett day's and I know what it's like when home games were blacked out locally, so a little purge IS probably in order, other towns deserve some success too, w/Bill's out now I'd like to see Cincy bring it home.