Blesses are those who believe and don't see. I am not making this up, just try researching it...Pics or it didn't happen.
Nonbelievers, how did you lose your religion?
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Doer
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It's always been that Chirstians will kill their enemies. And they don't need much provocation. That is what forgiveness is for. Let God sort the dead. Don't insult my God, if you know what's good for you. The Jews Killed God!! All made up.
And then you can proclaim peace for doing so. This bloody saga that we think we can't do without, Christ's salvation? Imagine if the plot never took off.
Christianity is a sham in that way. Peace? It was born of war and occupation, power, confusion and greed. It's just like all Religions, in that way. And as good as the "intentions" are the damnation is what and has been used as a hedious tool for bad. Even to proclaim today, that this is a religion of peace or practices what it preaches is somewhat of a joke. You have to be in the racket to believe the racket.
If you don't believe the racket, you can't understand.
Not any real knowledge or facts. Just blame and guilt.
And then you can proclaim peace for doing so. This bloody saga that we think we can't do without, Christ's salvation? Imagine if the plot never took off.
Christianity is a sham in that way. Peace? It was born of war and occupation, power, confusion and greed. It's just like all Religions, in that way. And as good as the "intentions" are the damnation is what and has been used as a hedious tool for bad. Even to proclaim today, that this is a religion of peace or practices what it preaches is somewhat of a joke. You have to be in the racket to believe the racket.
If you don't believe the racket, you can't understand.
Not any real knowledge or facts. Just blame and guilt.
missnu
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I was taking a world history class and it had a chart of the different world religions and what they were based on, and how they came about...and I noticed that it was all a big bunch of crap...you just got fed different crap depending on where you were born...
So, instead of playing guess the right God, I picked none of the Above...
So, instead of playing guess the right God, I picked none of the Above...
dashcues
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What is your idea of "The True Christian religion"?
I'll ask again...are you Catholic?
Doer
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When you know the dice are loaded you will surely crap out. I'm not saying there is not God. It is an assumption. We have to go back to the dawn of our cognition, as to why God? Why Deity? But, call it what you will, the assumption of Deity has been with us as far back as we know.
That alone is something to me. My own experiences are something to me. We get feed from birth, our religion. That is meaningful. Why Deity? A higher appeal than your dad? A way to raise childeren. Maybe Aqso Chstiogadsf can fix it for you. Say grace and eat your dinasaur bone.
And I thought the topic was, How did you lose your religion? You somehow see the subject as a chance to preach and guide.
That alone is something to me. My own experiences are something to me. We get feed from birth, our religion. That is meaningful. Why Deity? A higher appeal than your dad? A way to raise childeren. Maybe Aqso Chstiogadsf can fix it for you. Say grace and eat your dinasaur bone.
And I thought the topic was, How did you lose your religion? You somehow see the subject as a chance to preach and guide.
Doer
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But, you just made that up. What is a blessing? That is made up. It's good thing. Like candy. So, get a treat if you just believe it.
Well, guide us to the factual research, to show you aren't relying on assumptions and old stories.
First of all, your not funny, i find it disgraceful that you posted that, but to answer your absurd questions....And another thing is if God has the ability to create man from dirt and woman from a rib why would he need to basically rape a woman to have a son? Wouldn't it just make more sense for him to go abracadabra and Poof Brand new son named HEYZUES..
God sent an Angel to ask Mary if she would bring God into this world through a human form, and his name be Jesus. God did not rape Mary, or have someone rape Mary, and you can believe that, but it is wrong and does not follow the bible or any teachings of the Christian Church, not sure where you even heard of this idea, since there is nothing in the Bible showing this, and as for historical evidence, i would be surprised if you knew anything other than some youtube video or some unofficial website that could have been made by anybody. God gives us free will in all our decisions to do right or wrong and that came from Adam and Eve's choice to eat form the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil. God would not rape a human being because that would not give us free will, such as Mary's choice to bear Jesus and raise him. It was hard to choose Good, having gone through all the pain that Mary endured suffering the death of Jesus, and having to ride on an ass everywhere(not sure what it is like to be pregnant, but as i man, i can't imagine that pain), she did a great deed for God, and has been rewarded greatly in heaven.
Now if you think God would just create Jesus out of nowhere, well God can do this, but God made Jesus to show his love for us. God lived a life just as we do on Earth, and grew up just as we do. AS HUMANS, do have the choice of Good and Evil, and God himself had that choice but choose Good, proving his love for us. If God had Mary to lie with Joseph, it would be Joseph's son, not God's, God created Jesus in Mary's womb without an intercourse, and that is how God came about on Earth.
Because you believe in this Mary-was-raped idea, it takes away all meaning and credit to your own understanding on Christian Religion, when someone reads this thread, whether Atheist or Christian, they will know you honestly don't know what you are talking about, and you don't have a proper understanding on Christianity and of Christ. On top of that you try and make it a joke... i'm sorry, my friend, but you have disgraced yourself.
Doer
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Lood at you. You judgemental, ah hum, person. He did not disgrace himself. You did, Mr. Guide. It's called damnation. It is the attitude that you get to tisk, tisk and sadly shake your finger. But, now, offer a shred of blessing. You may have disgraced yourself....so funny.
First of all i meant blessed*, not blesses, and "blessed are those who believe and don't see" means that God, in heaven will good greatly upon those who believe without seeing. This is nothing like candy, and it is not "made up"
You go off and make things up like "its candy". please explain to me how it is like candy? you clearly can't even prove that i have been relying on assumptions and old stories. Taking a pilgrimage to another country, praying, and experiencing God as i did is not an assumption and is certainly not an old story.
Factual research on Medjugorje:
(i just googled it, lol, because i am not lazy like you)
http://www.medjugorje.ws/en/apparitions/docs-scientific-research-medjugorje-visionaries/
Doer
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And there you have it. Now I'm lazy. I'm not a Catholic and haven't gone the ways of the pilgram.
Don't get all fussy, but, if you make up god, then you can make up this idea that god can give blessings. And blessings are like the little rewards, right? Like candy? You can count them, yes? One of your very basic repeated experience is blessing before food, yes?
But, the assumption is Diety. That your experiences and beliefs, your very world view has assumed Diety.
There is no explaination for Diety except assumption. This wonder "has" to be that, correct?
Please address this. But, please Don't preach.
What is there to go by, but feeling and stories? Does not have to be Diety.
You put two and two together and got one anwer. I have another possiblity. I think it's assumption and false connection to
outer difinitiions to inner feeling. Then we all acccept it, or else, no food. to bed without supper.
There is no proof of God or Blessings. Is there?
Don't get all fussy, but, if you make up god, then you can make up this idea that god can give blessings. And blessings are like the little rewards, right? Like candy? You can count them, yes? One of your very basic repeated experience is blessing before food, yes?
But, the assumption is Diety. That your experiences and beliefs, your very world view has assumed Diety.
There is no explaination for Diety except assumption. This wonder "has" to be that, correct?
Please address this. But, please Don't preach.
What is there to go by, but feeling and stories? Does not have to be Diety.You put two and two together and got one anwer. I have another possiblity. I think it's assumption and false connection to
outer difinitiions to inner feeling. Then we all acccept it, or else, no food. to bed without supper.
There is no proof of God or Blessings. Is there?
Shannon Alexander
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If and I mean it as a big if... If god came to earth in human form then of course he would choose what is right by him and seeing as god through most of the bible can do no wrong and whatever god does is just and right, by default anything Jesus did would be the right course of action... and secondly if god came down in human form and then sacrificed that body... where the hell is the real sacrifice..? it makes the whole thing meaningless...
Strict Catholic, follow Jesus teaching exactly and carry them out every day. I Follow the Old and New Testament with just as much faith. I believe in much of what is occurring in Medjugorje is the true face of Christianity.
Shannon Alexander
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And you know why Catholicism has all those saints don't you..? it is because the people the church were trying to convert always had female and multiple gods to pray to...
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
You realize, don't you, that you are asking the one unacceptable thing, no?
Religions and denominations ... the young, virulent ones ... are memes with a built-in carrier function. It's all about spreading the meme. It's all about evangelism. Infection. Propagation. Territory claimed. A meme plus carrier that is not virulent has been left behind on the evolutionary path. cn
dashcues
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So Catholic = True Christian religion....correct?
And my wife wonders why I debate more theists than atheists.lol
Rebelman if you would care to discuss these claims of yours in a different thread,I would be more than happy to discuss this topic.
as for now,I won't derail this thread any further.
Sorry Pad
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
In re medical miracles: the only examples I have seen are conditions for which spontaneous remission, religiously influenced and not, have been recorded. Tumors, lamemess, etc.
To really impress me, I would want to see a miraculous healing of a condition for which NO instance of spontaneous remission has been recorded.
Candidates:
amputations, esp. decapitation
Down's syndrome
Other structural congenital birth defects. e.g. thalidomide deformities
Anyone have others? cn
To really impress me, I would want to see a miraculous healing of a condition for which NO instance of spontaneous remission has been recorded.
Candidates:
amputations, esp. decapitation
Down's syndrome
Other structural congenital birth defects. e.g. thalidomide deformities
Anyone have others? cn
1. I never made up a God, i am just using what i have learned and seen. part of what occurred to me in Medjugorje, which is by all means fact, by the evidence i have presented and by any research you do.And there you have it. Now I'm lazy. I'm not a Catholic and haven't gone the ways of the pilgram.
Don't get all fussy, but, if you make up god, then you can make up this idea that god can give blessings. And blessings are like the little rewards, right? Like candy? You can count them, yes? One of your very basic repeated experience is blessing before food, yes?
But, the assumption is Diety. That your experiences and beliefs, your very world view has assumed Diety.
There is no explaination for Diety except assumption. This wonder "has" to be that, correct?
Please address this. But, please Don't preach.
You put two and two together and got one anwer. I have another possibility. I think it's assumption and false connection to
outer difinitiions to inner feeling. Then we all acccept it, or else, no food. to bed without supper.
There is no proof of God or Blessings. Is there?
2. Yes, blessing are much like rewards, but you can't count them, I have no idea yet, the magnitude of God's blessings and what God has in store for me and how God is going to judge me. And no, there is no blessing before food? we do not bless food, only bread and wine, but that is during Church celebration. Before a meal a Christian as my self can pray to God and thank God for the meal God has brought forth on the earth and for everything in abundance. I don't understand where you get these ideas of the Christian faith that we forsee our food as a reward? or in your words: "candy"
3.
Deity has to be the answer because when a wonder occurs and this wonder is proclaiming a deity (to follow God), then yes, i do not see any other reason that it could be anything else? are you saying that when the blessed Virgin Mary came to the Children in Medjugorje and told them to follow God and gives them messages, that I am just "assuming" that a God exists? of course i am because i am backed up by fact and true occurrences.
4. When you criticize people who deny food to those who do not accept God, you are Criticizing the works of those who have lost parts of the the true face of Christianity, for denying food to people is not the true face of Christianity, and that is not how i see the world, and that is not something someone can use to criticize God.
May i ask, what makes you think that i assume that God exists? I base my beliefs off of the Bible and off of true experiences in my life, and off of true experiences that have occurred to Christians over thousands of years.
Would love to, yes this is way off topic, but since only a few people actually posted their into Athiest conversion stories, i figured that it didn't matter much and the debate never seemed to bother to want to change.
I would love to see that too, but most importantly i would love to be able to go to heaven and meet God for 1 hour and have a chat. Unfortunately that is not the case. Still God prevails in some healing. Here is one significant one that has been attested to:
Mrs. Diana Basile, born October 5, 1940 in Platizza, Cosenza, Italy, suffered from multiple sclerosis, an otherwise incurable disease, from 1972 till May 23, 1984. In spite of the expert help of the professors and doctors at the clinic in Milan, she grew more and more sick. By her own desire she came to Medjugorje and was present during the apparition of Our Lady in a room connected to the Church and was suddenly healed. All of that happened in such a quick and thorough way that on the following day the same woman walked barefoot 12 kilometres from the hotel in Ljubuski, where she spent the night, to the apparition hill in order to thank Our Lady for the healing. Ever since then until today, she has remained well. Upon her return to Milan, the doctors were astonished by her healing and immediately established a medical commission, which was again thoroughly to examine both the previous and present condition of the healed woman. They collected 143 documents and, in the end, 25 professors, head doctors, and other doctors wrote a special book about the disease and the healing in which they stated that Diana Basile indeed did suffer from multiple sclerosis, that for many years she was unsuccessfully treated, but that now she is completely well and that this did not happen by any kind of therapy, nor by any kind of medicine. They, thereby, indicated that the cause of the healing was from a different than scientific source.
3rd paragraph on this page:
http://www.medjugorje.ws/en/apparitions/docs-medjugorje-miracles/
You're welcome
Chief Walkin Eagle
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Yeah yeah keep complaining Z, Im still gunna say what I want. No matter how much you BELIEVE (lol) the underlined section is true, its not, not in my case at least... I seen some things, man! and some STUFF! lol Im too deep into the rabbit hole to be able to question the reality of my experiences (no need to blabber about your view on experiences). And this is a spirituality forum man, are you seriously gunna copy-n-paste that atheistic blow hard blabber every time someone discusses spirituality? I figured you'd be used to this kinda stuff by now.