Norcal outdoor 2011 (saving the season)

Turtle Time

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Spinosad works like a dream on budworms. It also has a residual control like 20x longer than Bt. Organic, safe for beneficials, etc etc....

Saccharopolyspora spinosa kills some wasps (which also kill bud worms). You may want to see how OPs specific wasps react to this.


AFAIK it only effects certain species of wasps.


 

Ferredoxin

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Saccharopolyspora spinosa kills some wasps (which also kill bud worms). You may want to see how OPs specific wasps react to this.


AFAIK it only effects certain species of wasps.

Saccharopolyspora spinosa is the actual bacteria that Spinosad is derived from. The active ingredients in Spinosad are spinosyn A & D, which are derived from the fermentation of S. spinosa. Braconid and Trichogramma wasps can be harmed by this, but they are not responsible for a large amount of parasitism. Parasitoids are much more effective when prey populations are high. Generalist predators like lacewings and ladybugs are much more effective at eating their way through a minor infestation.
 

Bigapple420

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How long do you suppose these wasps live. I haven't really looked into it to much just kinda bought them b.c it couldn't hurt. They are wicked small and from my understanding a lot of the smaller insects or whatever don't live that long. I plan to treat the situation as if they are no longer in my garden and continue to spray spino. I gave them a couple weeks w.o spraying when I did release the wasps. I also put a lot of the egg sheets in surrounding trees rather then straight into the garden. How far into flower do you keep spraying the spino?
 

doublejj

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Keep spraying as long as you have too. I think you can go right up to harvest

Good luck

peace
doublejj
 

Turtle Time

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Saccharopolyspora spinosa is the actual bacteria that Spinosad is derived from. The active ingredients in Spinosad are spinosyn A & D, which are derived from the fermentation of S. spinosa. Braconid and Trichogramma wasps can be harmed by this, but they are not responsible for a large amount of parasitism. Parasitoids are much more effective when prey populations are high. Generalist predators like lacewings and ladybugs are much more effective at eating their way through a minor infestation.

Good info man. Sounds like his wasps will be fine with it.

How long do you suppose these wasps live. I haven't really looked into it to much just kinda bought them b.c it couldn't hurt. They are wicked small and from my understanding a lot of the smaller insects or whatever don't live that long. I plan to treat the situation as if they are no longer in my garden and continue to spray spino. I gave them a couple weeks w.o spraying when I did release the wasps. I also put a lot of the egg sheets in surrounding trees rather then straight into the garden. How far into flower do you keep spraying the spino?


Do you recall what kind of wasps they were, I could look up their life span. In general though, I think they tend to wander away. Especially if there isn't food around for them. Which is good and bad news for you.




EDIT: OP, I had some questions in a previous post.
 

Ferredoxin

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How long do you suppose these wasps live. I haven't really looked into it to much just kinda bought them b.c it couldn't hurt. They are wicked small and from my understanding a lot of the smaller insects or whatever don't live that long. I plan to treat the situation as if they are no longer in my garden and continue to spray spino. I gave them a couple weeks w.o spraying when I did release the wasps. I also put a lot of the egg sheets in surrounding trees rather then straight into the garden. How far into flower do you keep spraying the spino?
I would stop spraying ~2 weeks before harvest since there is about a 2 week residual. Those 1-day PHIs are for edible crops that can be washed off. There is no PHI for smokable product, unless you start looking at labels for tobacco (idea?). Just to be on the safe side.
 

Bigapple420

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Thanks guys I appreciate the help. I have a shitload of work I still need to get handled but I will do my best to get some sort of pictures or video up.
 

Joedank

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Spraying within two weeks of harvest won't kill cutworms or bagworms the beauty of bacterials is they innoculate your plants foliage so I stop as soon as I see one fingered leaves
 

Bigapple420

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No need for a ballpark please keep numbers to yourself =D There will be plenty of happy patients in the great state of ca and for me thats enough.
 

Turtle Time

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Enjoy!

[video=youtube;hPuxIRkdH38]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPuxIRkdH38[/video]
Where did the vid go I was all stoked to see your gear.


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No need for a ballpark please keep numbers to yourself =D There will be plenty of happy patients in the great state of ca and for me thats enough.
Thanks a lot man just goes to show what a little hard work can accomplish.
Thanks for stoppin by jj glad you enjoyed the vid



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