North Korea

Figong

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update: North Korea is not going to war. At least that is what they are trying to say. Some viable points were made so we'll see. As of last night I've started doubting they will actually do anything, maybe the focus should be more on Iran and Syria combined/ing with N. Korea

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57577117/north-korea-is-not-going-to-war-senior-u.s-official-says/
Figured that when he'd noticed that his target listings included the 7th fleet that he'd stand down. To which the administration mocked Kim too...

The administration official said the only way the 7th Fleet would be vulnerable would be "if Kim Jung Un has a 'Call of Duty' video game and it includes a targeting of the 7th Fleet."
 

cannawizard

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update: North Korea is not going to war. At least that is what they are trying to say. Some viable points were made so we'll see. As of last night I've started doubting they will actually do anything, maybe the focus should be more on Iran and Syria combined/ing with N. Korea

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57577117/north-korea-is-not-going-to-war-senior-u.s-official-says/
Fat kid throwing a tantrum... Look world, pay attention!! pay attention!! I'm gonna nuke you with my imaginary WMDs~ #failtrain

 

Figong

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Fat kid throwing a tantrum... Look world, pay attention!! pay attention!! I'm gonna nuke you with my imaginary WMDs~ #failtrain

We've confirmed they have the nuke, we just can't prove how far they can launch it yet.. and I dont think we're lookin' for a reason to find out - pic was funny as hell though :D
 

cannawizard

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We've confirmed they have the nuke, we just can't prove how far they can launch it yet.. and I dont think we're lookin' for a reason to find out - pic was funny as hell though :D
A nuke? or two? even if NK did have "viable WMDs" ..I really doubt it would pose any real threat to the US mainland~ The US has enough firepower to destroy any incoming, and then return the favor by leaving NK ..nothing but a glowin' hole in the ground.. I'm not pro-WAR but NK is a joke, the rest of Asia is LOLn..

Cartman pic pretty much sums it up~
 

Figong

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A nuke? or two? even if NK did have "viable WMDs" ..I really doubt it would pose any real threat to the US mainland~ The US has enough firepower to destroy any incoming, and then return the favor by leaving NK ..nothing but a glowin' hole in the ground.. I'm not pro-WAR but NK is a joke, the rest of Asia is LOLn..

Cartman pic pretty much sums it up~
At most, they could -try- to hit Alaska, or Hawaii in terms of US-owned land. At that, Hawaii has the Patriot II batteries that would fix it, and Alaska runs NORAD for that major sector that also protects Canadian west coast. He has no fuckin' chance man.. hahahaha The Unha III that got mentioned as a 10-12000km range.. has disappeared from discussion in media outlets.. so am waiting for more on that, as well.
 

cannawizard

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At most, they could -try- to hit Alaska, or Hawaii in terms of US-owned land. At that, Hawaii has the Patriot II batteries that would fix it, and Alaska runs NORAD for that major sector that also protects Canadian west coast. He has no fuckin' chance man.. hahahaha The Unha III that got mentioned as a 10-12000km range.. has disappeared from discussion in media outlets.. so am waiting for more on that, as well.
The ones that should really be concerned is SK, since they are just a stone throw away, i'd be worried if I were them.. Kinda sucks they got a crazy neighbor~
 

greenswag

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A nuke? or two? even if NK did have "viable WMDs" ..I really doubt it would pose any real threat to the US mainland~ The US has enough firepower to destroy any incoming, and then return the favor by leaving NK ..nothing but a glowin' hole in the ground.. I'm not pro-WAR but NK is a joke, the rest of Asia is LOLn..

Cartman pic pretty much sums it up~
They def have the firepower and being able to put a satellite into space gives them some form of intercontinental power especially with the unha III, but I agree they don't pose much of a threat to the mainland. I still don't approve of using nukes on NK even in retaliation, and I say that for the sake of their neighboring countries who will have to deal with the fallout, I could care less about NK dealing with it but the uninvolved neighboring counties don't really deserve to deal with the consequences if we decide to retaliate with nukes. We can turn them into a parking lot using conventional bombs just fine.

With them not being a threat to the mainland is why I mention Iran and Syria helping them suspend the arms trade treaty a few days ago because those countries do have much better technology. I have a feeling this incident will blow over once Kim feels he has established enough credit within his country, but how long until a more serious threat arrives, I'm not sure.
 

ricky1lung

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Underestimating an enemy is foolish.

The US has been battling a force that is fighting with sticks and rocks in comparison to the tech the US has and they seem
to have been putting up a good fight all things considered.

When a force finds a way to circumvent the technology used they are essentially rendering billions of dollars worth of fighting machines useless.


If this war does happen, which I doubt it will, it will just happen and CNN will have a story to beat the hell out of for the next year or so.
 

cannawizard

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They def have the firepower and being able to put a satellite into space gives them some form of intercontinental power especially with the unha III, but I agree they don't pose much of a threat to the mainland. I still don't approve of using nukes on NK even in retaliation, and I say that for the sake of their neighboring countries who will have to deal with the fallout, I could care less about NK dealing with it but the uninvolved neighboring counties don't really deserve to deal with the consequences if we decide to retaliate with nukes. We can turn them into a parking lot using conventional bombs just fine.

With them not being a threat to the mainland is why I mention Iran and Syria helping them suspend the arms trade treaty a few days ago because those countries do have much better technology. I have a feeling this incident will blow over once Kim feels he has established enough credit within his country, but how long until a more serious threat arrives, I'm not sure.
Nicely said, and I agree, nuke retaliation of any kind shouldn't be an option because of the "fallout"~ Conventional bombs would be the way to go.
Iran & Syria could be the next hot topic, ..crazy world we live in..
 

greenswag

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Underestimating an enemy is foolish.

The US has been battling a force that is fighting with sticks and rocks in comparison to the tech the US has and they seem
to have been putting up a good fight all things considered.

When a force finds a way to circumvent the technology used they are essentially rendering billions of dollars worth of fighting machines useless.


If this war does happen, which I doubt it will, it will just happen and CNN will have a story to beat the hell out of for the next year or so.
Good point and I think it's been said earlier in this thread too. Luckily they don't seem to have the technology just yet to use their technology...that is god awful wording but you know what I mean lol. They have the firepower, but not the means to send it here.

Also, this is my first pretty successful thread, just realized that :D


edit: I wonder how hard it would be if Iran or Syria helped or both, to get passed our Patriot II systems? Maybe launch multiple rockets either to hit the patriot II systems, or to distract them as they intercept rockets as one of the other countries launches the actual nukes.
 

greenswag

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a new update, 15 minutes ago. It seems the north wants to close the factory they are working with jointly with the south. I think this is one of the things the last article mentioned as a sign they weren't going to war because it was still operational.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/31/world/asia/north-korean-sites-are-down-in-possible-cyberattacks.html?_r=0

and incase this was missed

edit: I wonder how hard it would be if Iran or Syria helped or both, to get passed our Patriot II systems? Maybe launch multiple rockets either to hit the patriot II systems, or to distract them as they intercept rockets as one of the other countries launches the actual nukes.
 

Figong

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a new update, 15 minutes ago. It seems the north wants to close the factory they are working with jointly with the south. I think this is one of the things the last article mentioned as a sign they weren't going to war because it was still operational.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/31/world/asia/north-korean-sites-are-down-in-possible-cyberattacks.html?_r=0

and incase this was missed

edit: I wonder how hard it would be if Iran or Syria helped or both, to get passed our Patriot II systems? Maybe launch multiple rockets either to hit the patriot II systems, or to distract them as they intercept rockets as one of the other countries launches the actual nukes.
Hahaha.. S.Korea has Patriot II that we've given them!


  • Republic of Korea Air Force(PAC-2)
    • 1st Air Defense Artillery Brigade
    • 2nd Air Defense Artillery Brigade
We also have in Kuwait, Saudi, China, Israel, Bahrain, Egypt, Jordan, Netherlands, Germany, Greece, Spain, Poland and a few others.. I don't think we'll have any issues.
 

Doer

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With a large enough laser, shitloads of capacitors and large enough solar panels (they're the preferable choice as an extra-atmospheric power source, fuck all clouds up there) they could probably make it work.

If only DARPA were more open to the public....
Well, remember friends, the ICBM is weak in boost phase. We had at one time a B 727, air born laser system. Chemical laser, very dangerous to operate. But, would blow up a rising ICBM in 4 secs of dwell time.

Star Wars moved that to space. They are up there, because all ICBMs are sub-orbital and extra-atmospheric. Our lasers can easily pick these off with even less dwell time. And remember the standard ship missile has anti-sat packages available and at least 2 variants.

Ship fired and also can be carried into the stratosphere and fired from an F-15. And we have terminal defense, Patriot and Iron Dome deployed on the West Coast. But, the standard techniques of dummy rounds mixed in with the MIRVs is way beyond RNK.

I think it was Clausewitz that said, "The professionals we can counter, the amateurs will still surprise us."
 

Figong

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Since when do we have Iron Dome? That's Israel and Singapore.. and is the C-RAM short range air def system.
 

Doer

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Since when do we have Iron Dome? That's Israel and Singapore.. and is the C-RAM short range air def system.
It was co-developed right here in the USA. We build a part of it, for Israel. Why would we not have them? I'm not saying it an official part of the inventory or even if they will work against a re-entry vehicle. But, they can target mortar bombs. So, I don't know, but why would we not have a few co-located with Patriots? Iron Dome seems like a good point defense for a Patriot battery, if nothing else.

Just a guess, is all.
 

Figong

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It was co-developed right here in the USA. We build a part of it, for Israel. Why would we not have them? I'm not saying it an official part of the inventory or even if they will work against a re-entry vehicle. But, they can target mortar bombs. So, I don't know, but why would we not have a few co-located with Patriots? Iron Dome seems like a good point defense for a Patriot battery, if nothing else.

Just a guess, is all.
I agree it would be, but from what I remember of our collections.. we don't have the dome on any official list of anything we're taking responsibility for. Maybe that's due to the Iron Dome shooting down 90% of the Gaza rockets over populated areas and causing many civilian casualties though. If that's the case, I could understand why we'd have it.. and not want to claim. Not arguing, just had no idea we were involved in the build. Last I remember both of the companies that were working together on that were overseas, as well.
 

Figong

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Something else to look up, but why would they tell us, right? :)
Yeah, if I built something that shot rockets down and couldn't use GPS/topography recognition to determine where an optimal disable should take place in the air, I wouldn't claim to have built it, or owned it either.. hahahaha
 
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