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Cloudz2600

Cloudz2600

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Stem snapped on June 3rd so today is exactly a week :) yea the NL recovers nicely from the issues she has, just wish she didn't have as many issues lol.
 
Cloudz2600

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Oh how often would you recommend watering with urine? Every other watering or every until A: The problem goes away or B: Buds start to develop. The grossness factor is big to me, but idc if I'm smoking some grade a herb at the end of the day.
 
Lady.J

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Cloudz2600 said:
Oh how often would you recommend watering with urine? Every other watering or every until A: The problem goes away or B: Buds start to develop. The grossness factor is big to me, but idc if I'm smoking some grade a herb at the end of the day.
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You can use it just like a fert, every other watering. Can even use it during budding...the buds won't taste like pee lol. I understand what you mean about the gross factor...just keep in mind that your kidneys sterilize your pee...it's even good enough to drink if you were in a survival situation, could save you. After 24 hours, it's a bacteria farm though. There's actually a study the Dutch did, they found pee fertilizes plants just as well, sometimes even better, than commercial fertilizers. That's why a lot of people use cow urea for their lawns.
 
Cloudz2600

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Well I was going to switch to my 10-20-30 when buds start to develop. Jack's Classic actually says to use every watering, although they said that's every 7-14 days so maybe that's the same thing as every other since I water every 2-3 days.
 

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Lady.J

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Cloudz2600 said:
Well I was going to switch to my 10-20-30 when buds start to develop. Jack's Classic actually says to use every watering, although they said that's every 7-14 days so maybe that's the same thing as every other since I water every 2-3 days.
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Did you ever order that fish fert / seaweed mix? It's 2-3-1, perfect ratio for flowering. I didn't even realize, going to be using that for bloom.
 
Cloudz2600

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I didn't lol. I didn't feel like buying ferts midway into the grow and I assumed the 20-20-20 would suffice. This was of course before I had a deficiency with the NL. I'll make sure to buy it for my next grow, but if I ordered it now, I'd only have maybe a week of preflowering left before bud production starts. I thought perfect was 1-3-2 or 1-2-3, I think I read that plants use/need less nitrogen than phosphorus and potassium while in flowering and use more Nitrogen and phosphorus than potassium during veg.

At the very least I know you want more K and N during flowering. That's a perfect ratio for veg tho.
 
Lady.J

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Cloudz2600 said:
I didn't lol. I didn't feel like buying ferts midway into the grow and I assumed the 20-20-20 would suffice. This was of course before I had a deficiency with the NL. I'll make sure to buy it for my next grow, but if I ordered it now, I'd only have maybe a week of preflowering left before bud production starts. I thought perfect was 1-3-2 or 1-2-3, I think I read that plants use/need less nitrogen than phosphorus and potassium while in flowering and use more Nitrogen and phosphorus than potassium during veg.

At the very least I know you want more K and N during flowering. That's a perfect ratio for veg tho.
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A lot of people say that plants don't need as much Nitrogen, yet they're the same people who have all yellow or no leaves at the end of the flowering cycle. They say it's natural and the buds are just pulling on nutrients but that is erroneous thinking...the leaves feed the buds so if they can be kept green the entire grow, you will have bigger, more potent buds. Nitrogen directly affects potency and smell.

With a 2 - 3 - 1, you keep your plants with a healthy amount of N while still catering to the increased need for P and lesser need for K. A lot of people over do it on the P, don't need as much as they think. I see so many people flowering with messed up looking leaves, I tend to believe the guy that loses only one leaf, everything is green, and is harvesting pounds from plants (Uncle Ben).
 
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I may have gotten my elements wrong, it's P during flowering not K. While Uncle Ben is usually right, if that's the case why do so many fertilizers(e.g fox farm big bloom) have an increased amount of P and a lower amount of N? Also, " During the vegetative stage, cannabis needs more N than P and K, while during the flowering stage, P is more essential than N and K" *^"Greg Green" The Cannabis Grow Bible, 4th edition (2001), page 164*

UB grows trees for sure, but it's not like he's the only one who does.

https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/937-how-grow-marijuana.html#post4676

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  • During our grow cycle the plant likes a fertilizer high in nitrogen. Something like 20-5-5. It uses the nitrogen for strong stem and leaf growth. After you change over to your flowering cycle you will want a fertilizer that is high in phosphorous and potassium. Something like 5-15-15 should work well. "​




 
Lady.J

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Cloudz2600 said:
I may have gotten my elements wrong, it's P during flowering not K. While Uncle Ben is usually right, if that's the case why do so many fertilizers(e.g fox farm big bloom) have an increased amount of P and a lower amount of N? Also, " During the vegetative stage, cannabis needs more N than P and K, while during the flowering stage, P is more essential than N and K" *^"Greg Green" The Cannabis Grow Bible, 4th edition (2001), page 164*

UB grows trees for sure, but it's not like he's the only one who does.
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Uncle Ben says they care more for marketing than for actual good levels for cannabis...a lot of those companies use those same nutes for other plants too, and not all plants need the same ratio. Supposedly nutes and fertilizers for tomatoes are the closest related to cannabis, and you can use those products just fine. Or just mix your own with the right ratio. It's kind of like how fast food is for us, we pay a ridiculous amount on unhealthy food for our bodies in large part due to advertisement...shitty plant foods are marketed as cutting edge and innovative...anything for them to make a buck! Not surprising that they care about the money before the art.

Found this:


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  • Originally Posted by merahoon
    Thanks UB for your knowledge! My only question regards to applying nutes in flowering. You stated that if its necessary to keep your leaves green, give them a 9-3-6. Won't your plants produce smaller flowers if your giving that much nitrogen in flowering?



    Again we are not comfortable with what's going on, think botany and outside of the box. A plant flowers not because of the foods the labels and forum geeks says they should have, it flowers based on the health of the leaves. You're not feeding it anything, the plant is making its own food. Your sole purpose for using plant foods is to support plant processes, salt requirements. Support of leaf health is what's important, not forum paradigms, consensus', etc. I grew an outdoor sativa with high N foods all the way thru. Why? Because every time I used a blossom food (low N) the leaves would yellow, indicating that chlorophyll was being destroyed. Even though they were wispy buds, typical for a pure sativa geno, they were 10" across and very heavy. Here's a shot showing 2 main colas of a total of 4 on one plant.



    By the same token you don't want to overdo N during flowering. It's all in the balance.


    Originally Posted by squarepush3r
    +rep, thx UncleBen

    Uncle Ben, what ratio nutrients do you for your plants? Do you use different formulas for veg and flower? Do you use Lucas formula, 5-10-9?



    For me, a 9-3-6 and a 1-3-2 is all I need. I don't believe in the Lucas formula as it is not a complete food, at least not for hydro and I don't think he promoted it for soil use. Just because something is talked up, is popular, doesn't mean it's the best choice.​




 
Lady.J

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You were right, it's 1-3-2. I remembered it wrong. Lol...I think I'm going to try the compost tea method for fert in the perpetual grow. Have you read about tea yet?
 
Cloudz2600

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A bit confused. He says you need a 9-3-6 for healthy growth, but he still uses the 1-3-2. What benefit does having less N have then? Also cool to read that he does 20/4 like me too ^_^ What he says(that I understand) makes total sense though.

Also, I don't eat fast food :P

I actually haven't read about tea. From what I heard you say it requires space and I'm not one for having a bunch of shit in my bedroom and if I bring over company I don't like to have to explain why there's a large container in the living room. But again, I haven't done any research whatsoever.
 
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Oh nice, I heard it takes about 5 or so days for most people. I'm on the east coast though so I'm expecting maximum wait time since it's coming from cali.
 
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Gonna go ahead and water today once more with the urine and then after that I'll be watering with the 1-3-2 blossom booster. If the Veg+Bloom gets here before the last 2 weeks of flowering I'll switch to that because the 16-10-30 seems interesting and has more N than my 10-30-20.

I've lost 2 leaves and I noticed slight reddening on maybe 4-5 small branching stems. Both plants are taking the LST pretty well and the top part of the NL finally started growing. Just eyeballing it, but I've probably got another 10-12" from the top of the bin and the reflectors take up maybe...4-5?

Temps have been so odd today lol. I haven't had the a/c on all day and during the day with the window open it's been 84-86, but tonight it jumped up to 90F, turned off the 2 center 26w CFLs that I had for bottom node growth and the temp dropped 2 degrees. It was raining all day long so maybe the wind helped a bit. Lights off usually puts me at 79-82F going by the thermometer.
 
Lady.J

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Cloudz2600 said:
Gonna go ahead and water today once more with the urine and then after that I'll be watering with the 1-3-2 blossom booster. If the Veg+Bloom gets here before the last 2 weeks of flowering I'll switch to that because the 16-10-30 seems interesting and has more N than my 10-30-20.

I've lost 2 leaves and I noticed slight reddening on maybe 4-5 small branching stems. Both plants are taking the LST pretty well and the top part of the NL finally started growing. Just eyeballing it, but I've probably got another 10-12" from the top of the bin and the reflectors take up maybe...4-5?

Temps have been so odd today lol. I haven't had the a/c on all day and during the day with the window open it's been 84-86, but tonight it jumped up to 90F, turned off the 2 center 26w CFLs that I had for bottom node growth and the temp dropped 2 degrees. It was raining all day long so maybe the wind helped a bit. Lights off usually puts me at 79-82F going by the thermometer.
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You probably won't need all the N the last two weeks of flowering...that's when you're supposed to go lighter on the nutes. I guess it's more about what your plants tell you. If you see leaves yellowing, hit them up with a fert that has more N. If they seem good to go, stick with your bloom booster.

Be careful with the Urine. It has enough N-P-K to be it's own standalone fert, so it you use it too much, it can burn your plants too. Usually you want to do it every other watering. When you do a plain watering, make sure you see some run off before you stop...helps flush the salts from the urine out. They can really build up if you use pee a lot of times. Flushing + urine go hand in hand.
 
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before the last 2 weeks. I know during the final 2 weeks before harvest you want to only plain water. I meant if the fert got in on say...the 3rd week before harvest I would use it. Though I guess you're right about needing less N during the end anyway. Eh I make sure I have at least 10% run off whenever I water, nutes included or not. Except when using the urine, that time was by accident and it was just a little bit.

I'm kind of going off of what my plants are telling me because I'm seeing a lot of reddening actually. A few lower branches are full red and the top growth has maybe 50% red stems. My mix was probably not even 1:15. Top growth has started again, but most of the lower growth has stopped. Not sure if that's because I'm about 1-2 into flowering or if that's the deficiency.

If you think so I may water with plain water before starting to use the blossom booster just to have a clean slate so to speak.
 
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