Not sure about the seeds

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johnny182

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Hi!! this is my first time growing.
I actually bumped into a problem i wasn't expecting. I can't even germinate the seeds. The seeds come from some random genetics done by my friends.

The first batch of 3 seeds, 1 - didn't open at all, 2 opened in a glass of water but i guess they rotted, as i was waiting for the 3rd to open and kept them all sunk in the glass for 2 - 3 days. When i planted after 4 days there was no sign of life so i opened the soil and they didn't change at all.

Now im having the second batch of 3 done differently, 12 hours of glass with water and since almost 40 HRs in the paper towel. But still no sign of any opening. I guess i should wait some 24 hrs more.

My concern is actually the seeds themselves. They seem small and despite everything that i read, that after 2 - 3 hours in the glass they should sunk, but they don't even after 10 hours. Only one of 3 did when i tapped it.

Of course my lack of expertise is very obvious so i hope in any advice!

Thanks in advance guys. peace and love
 

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Hobbes

Hobbes

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Hi Johnny

You are drowning your seeds by putting them in glasses of water.

To germinate your seeds you well need a piece of paper towel, a zip lock bag, and a heating mat.

1. Fold the paper towel 3 times then dip in water 3/4 the length of the p.t. Turn the paper towel upside down so the water soaks into the dry end. When the paper towel stops dripping it's ready.

2. Open the paper towel once, like a book, and put your seed in the middle. Close the paper towel book on the seed and put the paper towel into the zip lock bag.

3. Put the zip lock bag on your heat mat - about 80 degrees - and wait 2 or 3 days. Check seeds carefully.

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If you don't have a heat mat put them somewhere warm and dark.

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johnny182

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Hi Hobbes

thank you mate for so detailed instructions. I did exactly as you suggested except for the mat which I don’t have. I instead put the zip bag in the router box where the temp is about 28-30 degrees C 82-86 F is it ok?

look after more then 80 hours there this is what I have. Is it good to plant or I better keep it there to have 1 cm root as I read on other sources??

thank you again sorry didn’t reply straight away wanted to share the pic of the result as well
 

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Attikus112

Attikus112

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Best to get them into you soil/medium now. Plant them about 1/4" to 1/2" deep. I transfer as soon as i see them crack. The longer you wait the greater chance of damage during transfer.
 
Hawg Wild

Hawg Wild

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Always best to start with some known genetics so you don't end up wasting time and effort on junk. Also, if you're in soil, just plant directly in the medium (forget the water and paper towels) POINTY END UP and BE PATIENT. Keep them moist but leave them alone. The more you fuck about with seeds while they're germinating, the less chance of success in your grow.
 
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Bushbaby11

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johnny182 said:
Hi!! this is my first time growing.
I actually bumped into a problem i wasn't expecting. I can't even germinate the seeds. The seeds come from some random genetics done by my friends.

The first batch of 3 seeds, 1 - didn't open at all, 2 opened in a glass of water but i guess they rotted, as i was waiting for the 3rd to open and kept them all sunk in the glass for 2 - 3 days. When i planted after 4 days there was no sign of life so i opened the soil and they didn't change at all.

Now im having the second batch of 3 done differently, 12 hours of glass with water and since almost 40 HRs in the paper towel. But still no sign of any opening. I guess i should wait some 24 hrs more.

My concern is actually the seeds themselves. They seem small and despite everything that i read, that after 2 - 3 hours in the glass they should sunk, but they don't even after 10 hours. Only one of 3 did when i tapped it.

Of course my lack of expertise is very obvious so i hope in any advice!

Thanks in advance guys. peace and love
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I just use a plastic container the chinese food comes in lol, obviously wash it out, put some damp tissue in the bottom, put the seeds in then put some damp tissue on top, close the container and place in the boiler cupboard, 24 hours later they're done and ready
 
fartoblue

fartoblue

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I like to put them in a glass of water then into my boiler room for 12 hours before going into paper towel between 2 saucers back in boiler room normally get 100% with good quality seeds. In winter when the heating is on all the time the boiler room/pantry 4' x 3' can get a little warm so I leave the room door open
 
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johnny182

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Hey guys thanks for the advices.
I guess I have the young mother síndrome actually I kept them in the towel around 36 hours after they cracked I guess I will apply what said by Hawg Wild for the future. Actually didn’t think there was this problem to germinate. Noob I am.

anyway admitted the case somehow these poor seeds survive my care. I was thinking to go all natural and organic. So how I plan to feed them is RO water with 1ml Urb Natural + 1ml seaweed extract per gallon for daily watering. Plus a compost tea with molasses +castings+ again some seaweed once weekly. Do you think it’s a good option or can be missing some nutrients?
 
Hawg Wild

Hawg Wild

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johnny182 said:
Hey guys thanks for the advices.
I guess I have the young mother síndrome actually I kept them in the towel around 36 hours after they cracked I guess I will apply what said by Hawg Wild for the future. Actually didn’t think there was this problem to germinate. Noob I am.

anyway admitted the case somehow these poor seeds survive my care. I was thinking to go all natural and organic. So how I plan to feed them is RO water with 1ml Urb Natural + 1ml seaweed extract per gallon for daily watering. Plus a compost tea with molasses +castings+ again some seaweed once weekly. Do you think it’s a good option or can be missing some nutrients?
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You're probably good with that other than maybe needing a plentiful source of readily-available calcium. There's no one "right" way to do it, but there are tons of mistakes that can be avoided. In the end, they're pretty resilient plants and will grow by any number of methods. As far as the germination, I did the soak and paper towel thing for years and had some good results but also some damaged taproots and a lot more damping off. I ended up discovering that there's no real benefit to any of that unless you're using GA or something to try and pop really old seeds and don't have the patience to wait two weeks in the dirt without digging them up and ruining them. I do use a homemade Korean Natural Farming SES seed soak solution for 5-10 minutes (depending on seed size) and put some mycorhizzae and a sprinkle of microbe-inoculated wheat bran in the hole with the seed. Doing this, I've had near 100% germination rates. You do have to be patient, though, and remember that all that time spent in the cup and towels is now being spent in the dirt, so you may need 5-7 days for new seeds or up to 15 days for old ones before you see a sprout.
 
Dr.J20

Dr.J20

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johnny182 said:
Hey guys thanks for the advices.
I guess I have the young mother síndrome actually I kept them in the towel around 36 hours after they cracked I guess I will apply what said by Hawg Wild for the future. Actually didn’t think there was this problem to germinate. Noob I am.

anyway admitted the case somehow these poor seeds survive my care. I was thinking to go all natural and organic. So how I plan to feed them is RO water with 1ml Urb Natural + 1ml seaweed extract per gallon for daily watering. Plus a compost tea with molasses +castings+ again some seaweed once weekly. Do you think it’s a good option or can be missing some nutrients?
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check out the organics forum if you are thinking of going this way.

I like to water my container first, then just plant straight in the moistened soil-no pre-sprouting necessary. This cuts down on transplant stress and cuts out the risk of damaging the tap root or letting it dry out.

You don't need compost tea that frequently if you're providing a good habitat for your microbiota. I like fish hyrdolysate and kelp meal--check out the info on microbeorganics.com for more on all things compost tea.

I don't know what Urb Natural is, but liquid organic ferts have always been a headache for me. Try to make sure you've got a well balanced biodiverse soil and you should be good to go.

Don't plan on watering daily; plan on paying attention to your plant to learn when she's asking for a drink. Tried and true method is to wait until she's totally dry and lift the whole container to get a sense of her weight, then water and lift her to get a sense of watered weight. After this, you should be able to gauge how much water is still in the soil. Stick your finger in the top 3 inches of soil, if its wet, you don't need to water.

When you water, water carefully as though making a pour-over coffee--in concentric circular pattern around the base of the plant, never overflowing the medium.

just some pointers to get you started, hope it helps,

be easy,

:peace:
 
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johnny182

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Hawg Wild said:
You're probably good with that other than maybe needing a plentiful source of readily-available calcium. There's no one "right" way to do it, but there are tons of mistakes that can be avoided. In the end, they're pretty resilient plants and will grow by any number of methods. As far as the germination, I did the soak and paper towel thing for years and had some good results but also some damaged taproots and a lot more damping off. I ended up discovering that there's no real benefit to any of that unless you're using GA or something to try and pop really old seeds and don't have the patience to wait two weeks in the dirt without digging them up and ruining them. I do use a homemade Korean Natural Farming SES seed soak solution for 5-10 minutes (depending on seed size) and put some mycorhizzae and a sprinkle of microbe-inoculated wheat bran in the hole with the seed. Doing this, I've had near 100% germination rates. You do have to be patient, though, and remember that all that time spent in the cup and towels is now being spent in the dirt, so you may need 5-7 days for new seeds or up to 15 days for old ones before you see a sprout.
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Hi Hawg

again thanks for the advices you are giving... I actually put them in the soil those few days ago on Tuesday, but no sprouting yet which worries me, as the seeds cracked so I thought it would be a bit faster.. Actually, as a matter of coincidence, the temps went down these days, and now I have 20 C inside the place. So I suspect that could be the reason. I am also trying to avoid overwatering. So ill give it patiently 3-4 more days. If things go south i will buy the dome with the heat mat, so I should be able to maintain the stable temperature and humidity inside.

In every case, for now, the learning curve seems more a plane line rather than a curve :D
I've ordered some good genetics seeds meanwhile, so will see the outcome of the current stage and will post pictures in case it goes well.

Enjoy your weekend mate




Dr.J20 said:
check out the organics forum if you are thinking of going this way.

I like to water my container first, then just plant straight in the moistened soil-no pre-sprouting necessary. This cuts down on transplant stress and cuts out the risk of damaging the tap root or letting it dry out.

You don't need compost tea that frequently if you're providing a good habitat for your microbiota. I like fish hyrdolysate and kelp meal--check out the info on microbeorganics.com for more on all things compost tea.

I don't know what Urb Natural is, but liquid organic ferts have always been a headache for me. Try to make sure you've got a well balanced biodiverse soil and you should be good to go.

Don't plan on watering daily; plan on paying attention to your plant to learn when she's asking for a drink. Tried and true method is to wait until she's totally dry and lift the whole container to get a sense of her weight, then water and lift her to get a sense of watered weight. After this, you should be able to gauge how much water is still in the soil. Stick your finger in the top 3 inches of soil, if its wet, you don't need to water.

When you water, water carefully as though making a pour-over coffee--in concentric circular pattern around the base of the plant, never overflowing the medium.

just some pointers to get you started, hope it helps,

be easy,

:peace:
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Hey Dr.J20

hope you are well. Actually must thank you for the good advice about watering.
I will definitely visit the organic section to see if i can get some valuable info.
In the future i think i will stick the seed in the dirt and will wait.

Thank you mate and cheers!!
 
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bigsteve

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I pretty much agree with Hobbs above. I use 3 layers of saturated paper towel, beans on top, and one more layer of paper towel. It is a good idea to turn up a bottom corner when you have just 3 layers down. That makes it easier to lift those 3 when you check on germ progress. I wait until the tap root is at least an inch long before placing into dirt.

Good luck, BigSteve.
 
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johnny182

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Hey guys... sorry disappeared with all the tests.
Actually at the end it was all about seeds. So will reinforce to the world to never use some strange random seeds.
I spent over a month with 9 seeds trying to make them grow, actually one popped and gave a seedling but it died soon after. others didn't even pop

That didn't happen when i took the sweet skeetlez seeds from a bank. Actually i did a test with 2 seeds (doing exact same things i was doing with the seeds before) and both popped and now im on 3rd week, In one week will be a transplant and veg start (though im doing 18/6 already) . they seem a bit stretched for 3 weeks but much better than dying seeds lol. One has definitely better genetics than the other, its more robust, tall, and seems stronger overall.

piece!!
 

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