Noticing a wee bit of yellowing

dab farmer

dab farmer

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I am 14 days into flower. Feeding only Big Bloom at 3 TBSP per Gallon every other feeding. Each Plant gets about 3/4 of a gallon each watering. There is no doubt they are beginning to yellow and my plan is to change to a heavier flower feed with a little more nitrogen content than the .01 I am getting with the Big Bloom. I do not want to fuck up my first grow though. Would be grateful for any recommendations before I take action. Plant #1 on left is obviously getting worse than its sister #2 on the right. Thanks!

Flowering at 14 days.
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Joe Blows Trees

Joe Blows Trees

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Adding some nitrogen is ok. They still veg for the first two to three weeks after flip so they still need a good dose of N.
 
getdown76

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dab farmer said:
I am 14 days into flower. Feeding only Big Bloom at 3 TBSP per Gallon every other feeding. Each Plant gets about 3/4 of a gallon each watering. There is no doubt they are beginning to yellow and my plan is to change to a heavier flower feed with a little more nitrogen content than the .01 I am getting with the Big Bloom. I do not want to fuck up my first grow though. Would be grateful for any recommendations before I take action. Plant #1 on left is obviously getting worse than its sister #2 on the right. Thanks!

Flowering at 14 days.
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You need some flower nutes friend.
 
dab farmer

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polishpollack said:
3 tbsp. per gallon is too much. you're over ferting.
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Fox Farm Big Bloom 0.01-0.3-0.7.
The label calls for 4 Tablespoons per gallon every other watering for general feeding and 1/2 cup per gallon for heavy feeding. At 3 Tbsp every other week I am unsure how I could be overferting but I will take it into consideration as I am still learning.

Thanks for the replies.
 
Crab Pot

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I have a good recipe for your situation if you have kelp meal:

1/2 cup kelp meal in 2 1/2 gallons of water. I would mix it in a 5 gallon bucket and either use air stone or stir/shake it. After the water gets a good healthy green color, water the plants. You'll notice an improvement the next day.
 
Crab Pot

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polishpollack said:
that might be for hydro, not soil. make sure you use the schedule for soil. and don't confuse tbsp. (tablespoon) with tsp. (teaspoon).
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Who uses kelp teas in hydro?? Why would you post this misinformation?? Talking about being confused my friend.
 
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dab farmer

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Wish they would put that chart on the bottle. Found another chart on their website that is ever different than the one you posted. As a noob I assumed when it said Application: Formulated for indoor and outdoor potted plants, roses, shrubs, and the list goes on....that it was intended to be mixed with water per the instructions on the rear of the bottle, again measured in TBSP and poured into the friggin pot of soil. Apparently, not so simple.

Looks like I need to start reading up on teas and other organic alternative to the store bottles.......

Thanks again everyone.
 
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Jenny 209916

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Always start off 1/4 strength on any nutes when you're going to first feed.. Then u gradually increase the strength.. I never go by what the bottle calls for
 
polishpollack

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most feeding schedules leave the part of how often to feed. don't give too much over time as it will buildup in the soil. maybe just give water when the soil is dry.
 
Dr. Who

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polishpollack said:
3 tbsp. per gallon is too much. you're over ferting.
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In a way but it depends on HOW he's doing his soil.......The plants show a big N def! The NPK of BB is very minor and it's an organic feed supplement - NOT a base nutrient!

getdown76 said:
You need some flower nutes friend.
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WRONG! Too early for bloom foods and he has a big N def starting! No bloom foods till the 3rd week after the flip. Most "bloom" foods are to high in P&K!

Crab Pot said:
I have a good recipe for your situation if you have kelp meal:

1/2 cup kelp meal in 2 1/2 gallons of water. I would mix it in a 5 gallon bucket and either use air stone or stir/shake it. After the water gets a good healthy green color, water the plants. You'll notice an improvement the next day.
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He NEEDS N not micro nutes right now. I might be inclined to use a good N source and add 1 tsp of kelp extract to that....It would work better!


@dab farmer

Are you running organic or have you used synthetics?

You need to use a straight Veg formula and foliar feed an N to get those back to green and healthy. ONLY N problems will "correct" the condition of the leaves or "foliage" with treatment.
 
dab farmer

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Dr. Who said:
In a way but it depends on HOW he's doing his soil.......The plants show a big N def! The NPK of BB is very minor and it's an organic feed supplement - NOT a base nutrient!



WRONG! Too early for bloom foods and he has a big N def starting! No bloom foods till the 3rd week after the flip. Most "bloom" foods are to high in P&K!



He NEEDS N not micro nutes right now. I might be inclined to use a good N source and add 1 tsp of kelp extract to that....It would work better!


@dab farmer

Are you running organic or have you used synthetics?

You need to use a straight Veg formula and foliar feed an N to get those back to green and healthy. ONLY N problems will "correct" the condition of the leaves or "foliage" with treatment.
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Thanks for the info!! As far as I know I have kept it 100% organic. My current soil mix is a mixture of 2 parts roots organic soil, 5 parts Natural Guard organic soil, 1 part perlite, 1/2 part worm castings. I fed these plants nothing but PH'd water only during veg, never any ferts or anything else added until the day I began to flower. On flower day 1 ( plant day 49) I gave it 1/2 strength feeding ( still too much ). This was the first feeding. The next was just water only then the next was 1/2 again then when the yellowing got worse I gave it the "full" feeding. That was 4 days ago. Still yellowing but perky. Last night I gave it a shit ton of ph'd water and while its structure looks ok the color is no better. With the NPK of the big bloom so low maybe I didn't fry them too bad. I am going to go ahead and give them some N.

I do not have many places to get supplies around me so I am fairly limited on what I have to work with but right now I have:


Worm Castings
High Yield Blood Meal 12-0-0
High Yield Bone Meal 0-10-0
Maxicrop Liquid Seaweed 0-0-1
FF Grow Big 6-4-4 (Not Organic have not used on my flowering plants)
FF Big Bloom 0.01-0.3-0.7
FF Bushdoctor Kelp Me Kelp You 0.5-0-0.5
30 Lbs Fresh Bagged Compost
Happy Frog Bat Guano 0-5-0
Horticultural Molassas

I also built a aero brewer today so I have that option available as well.

Thanks again everyone. Super helpful!!
 
Dr. Who

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dab farmer said:
Thanks for the info!! As far as I know I have kept it 100% organic. My current soil mix is a mixture of 2 parts roots organic soil, 5 parts Natural Guard organic soil, 1 part perlite, 1/2 part worm castings. I fed these plants nothing but PH'd water only during veg, never any ferts or anything else added until the day I began to flower. On flower day 1 ( plant day 49) I gave it 1/2 strength feeding ( still too much ). This was the first feeding. The next was just water only then the next was 1/2 again then when the yellowing got worse I gave it the "full" feeding. That was 4 days ago. Still yellowing but perky. Last night I gave it a shit ton of ph'd water and while its structure looks ok the color is no better. With the NPK of the big bloom so low maybe I didn't fry them too bad. I am going to go ahead and give them some N.

I do not have many places to get supplies around me so I am fairly limited on what I have to work with but right now I have:


Worm Castings
High Yield Blood Meal 12-0-0
High Yield Bone Meal 0-10-0
Maxicrop Liquid Seaweed 0-0-1
FF Grow Big 6-4-4 (Not Organic have not used on my flowering plants)
FF Big Bloom 0.01-0.3-0.7
FF Bushdoctor Kelp Me Kelp You 0.5-0-0.5
30 Lbs Fresh Bagged Compost
Happy Frog Bat Guano 0-5-0
Horticultural Molassas

I also built a aero brewer today so I have that option available as well.

Thanks again everyone. Super helpful!!
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Hmm good starting place on building water only soils = READ THIS!

http://forum.grasscity.com/organic-growing/1116550-easy-organic-soil-mix-beginners.html

She made a great post here for beginners to actually learn from.......

I would STRONGLY suggest you get these 2 books and read them also !!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1604691131/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_2?pf_rd_p=1944687582&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=1931160961&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0ZNWMEWK7JFQJT32EPGE

http://www.amazon.com/Teaming-Nutrients-Gardeners-Optimizing-Nutrition/dp/1604693142/ref=pd_bxgy_14_img_y

Here's another I can give you - This is Soma's organic grow book in a zip file - down load it or copy it to your pc files.
 

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Dr. Who

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Grow big is kinda out of the NPK ratio I would use...To much P&K for the problem you have right now...
I might put a tsp of the Blood meal in 1.5 gallons of water and use a bubbler in it for 36 hrs and feed with that.....Then go to the Grow Big . Shit the grow big is not to far off of a not so bad bloom feed...

When you water/feed - what do you pH to?

Did you mix any of the nutrients into the soil when you made it?
 
dab farmer

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Dr. Who said:
Grow big is kinda out of the NPK ratio I would use...To much P&K for the problem you have right now...
I might put a tsp of the Blood meal in 1.5 gallons of water and use a bubbler in it for 36 hrs and feed with that.....Then go to the Grow Big . Shit the grow big is not to far off of a not so bad bloom feed...

When you water/feed - what do you pH to?

Did you mix any of the nutrients into the soil when you made it?
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I always pH my water to 6.0-6.5 before I do anything to it. The only nutrients I added to the soil when I mixed was 1/2c Bone Meal, 1/2c Blood Meal and 1/2 cup of the Guano. I have begun to bubble the blood meal in a gallon jug and will give it that on their next feeding.

Thank you so much for the links and the reading info. I appreciate it!

For reference here is what they looked like the day I began to flower them on the 15th.
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polishpollack

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No one needs to pH water. Nature doesn't do it and you don't have to. It's not necessary to read books to use water-only soil. Just a cup of foxfarm's fruit and flower or whitney farms all purpose fert, or Dr. Earth brand all purpose fert, in 5 gallons of soil. then just water. I've been trying to tell people this for years, but everyone wants to control the grow. Then they come to site like this and ask about their problems. It's because you've done it wrong.
 
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