Novel coronavirus introduced to humans in exotic animal meat market.

DIY-HP-LED

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Those "hospitals" they built overnight. They were pre-fab prisons Chinese government pulled out of storage and used them to save their asses. What were the prisons for? One wonders.
I kindly called them quarantine centers, though they probably were staffed by forced medical labor from across China. This is the level of Bullshit required to contain something like this when you fuck up in the early stages of a highly contagious outbreak and deny reality, sound familiar? It's even more criminal than China, Trump had 2 months notice, he eliminated 30 out of 40 pandemic field offices, fired the pandemic chain of command because he didn't like Obama and tried to cripple the CDC and WHO with funding cuts. His incompetent administration greatly exacerbated the problem by spreading the virus in North America through criminal negligence. That's just the start, but this is abandon's thread and he wants to stick to the science on this thread at least, not the politics of this multidimensional issue.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Anti-vaxxers are Republicans.
They will become very unpopular very quickly and might have their social media voice shut down, they haven't been too popular lately anyway. One fraudulent study and a self confessed scientific fraud is all they got vs a mountain of other data to the contrary, some folks is funny Foggy and logical thinking in not the strong suite for many. I've found many of the trumpers here incapable of logical thought or foresight, most are also socially and emotionally retarded, like Donald.
 

Fogdog

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They will become very unpopular very quickly and might have their social media voice shut down, they haven't been too popular lately anyway. One fraudulent study and a self confessed scientific fraud is all they got vs a mountain of other data to the contrary, some folks is funny Foggy and logical thinking in not the strong suite for many. I've found many of the trumpers here incapable of logical thought or foresight, most are also socially and emotionally retarded, like Donald.
No they won't. They will blame Democrats. Might become violent too.
 

Budzbuddha

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Trump blames Obama on CORONAVIRUS testing

During a briefing with the press in the White House on Wednesday, President Donald Trump seemed to blame the issues with testing the coronavirus on the Obama administration.

Trump told reporters, “The Obama administration made a decision on testing that turned out to be very detrimental to what we’re doing and we undid that decision a few days ago so that the testing can take place in a much more accurate and rapid fashion.”

He continued, “That was a decision that we disagreed with, I don’t think we would have made it but for some reason, it was made but we’ve undone that decision.”

Moments later, a reporter asked Trump what Obama-era rule they were talking about.
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Vice President Mike Pence — who Trump has put in charge of a coronavirus task force — responded:

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As The New York Times notes, there was a regulation under the Obama administration that closely monitored how state and private companies could implement testing that is not approved by the FDA.

Obama did not respond to the president’s remarks but he did address the coronavirus in a tweet on Wednesday, writing, “Protect yourself and your community from coronavirus with common sense precautions: wash your hands, stay home when sick and listen to the CDC and local health authorities.”

“Save the masks for health care workers,” he added. “Let’s stay calm, listen to the experts and follow the science.”

And this fact :
The Trump administration fired the U.S. pandemic response team in 2018 to cut costs.

And just in :

White House Bans Filming At Coronavirus Briefing, Triggering Backlash....

The Trump White House faced widespread criticism on Tuesday after Vice President Mike Pence conducted a press briefing on the coronavirus outbreak, but members of the media were not allowed to record video or audio.

The administration ― which only last week vowed to be “aggressively transparent” with the public about the spread of the virus that has now killed nine people in the U.S. ― only allowed still photographs to be taken, CNN’s Jim Acosta and other journalists in attendance tweeted.

“I asked Pence why the Coronavirus briefing is off camera today. He said he believes the briefing will be back on cam tomorrow,” Acosta later posted, noting “the closest thing to an explanation we got” was “when Pence said Trump was on camera a bunch today.”

Obama-era White House chief photographer Pete Souza said he “can’t ever remember a time when a VP or POTUS spoke in the White House press briefing room and video/audio was prohibited.”

“It’s like they’re imploding,” added Walter Shaub, the former head of the U.S. Office of Government Ethics.

The Trump administration’s coronavirus response has been widely criticized as disorganized and slow. Trump himself has repeatedly sought to downplay the risks, sometimes with outright falsehoods....... No audio / video of briefing on a virus that is spreading ....... amazing.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Italy is in big trouble and their health care system is about to be overwelmed, closed all schools. Iran is emptying their prisons and many of their politicians are ill with it.
What do you think the chances are of America emptying it's prisons under Trump during election season? America has the highest incarceration rate in the world, higher than China! I can see this cleaning some old farts out of the senate...
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Killed by Trump's incompetence and criminal negligence, might become a popular engraving on tombstones. Maybe KBT Killed By Trump will catch on too.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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He mentions evidence of the importance of vitamin D, one of the best things you can do to protect yourself.
This might be important information for some people here, important stuff if your concerned about this.

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Coronavirus Epidemic Update 30: More Global COVID-19 Outbreaks, Vitamin D May Aid Prevention

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update 30 with pulmonologist Dr. Seheult of https://www.MedCram.com.
Topics include a variety of growing international coronavirus epidemics including Australia, Norway, Iceland, Iran, Italy, Poland, India, Belgium, South Korea, Canada, and the United States (Los Angeles). Dr. Seheult also discusses compelling evidence about the possible role of Vitamin D (in proper dosage) in fighting acute respiratory infections like COVID-19.
 
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abandonconflict

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The WHO has released an update to their epidemiological data set. The mortality rate according to the new estimate is 3.4%.

I still do not trust the WHO as they seem to be too willing to accept PRC reports. I think that the number of infected is far higher (therefore much lower mortality rate) and I'm far from alone in this assessment. This has been going on for weeks.

 

DIY-HP-LED

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The WHO has released an update to their epidemiological data set. The mortality rate according to the new estimate is 3.4%.

I still do not trust the WHO as they seem to be too willing to accept PRC reports. I think that the number of infected is far higher (therefore much lower mortality rate) and I'm far from alone in this assessment. This has been going on for weeks.

More widespread testing in developed countries will soon reveal the true mortality rate, I think it will be closer to 2% in the end, but it's novel so we have to wait for the stats. What is equally alarming, more so to the health authorities is the Hospitalization rate and the possibility it might overwhelm local health care systems if left unchecked. America does not have the mobility of resources and health care workers that China does, they can't order thousands of them into new york or LA like in China and I doubt they will be welding apartment building doors shut either.

Has an R4 infectious rate been confirmed or is it an overestimation?
 

abandonconflict

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America does not have the mobility of resources and health care workers that China does
I would dispute that. The US has a higher number of relevant healthcare workers proportional to population, by far. Furthermore, the data coming from China has had doubt cast on it by even the most reputable scientific sources in the world. The CCP would have us believe that their top-down authoritarianism is working, while they lie through their teeth about the damage being caused. Even the doctor who first identified the virus was silenced for telling the truth.

The US apparatus being misused by the Trump administration is actually top notch.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I would dispute that. The US has a higher number of relevant healthcare workers proportional to population, by far. Furthermore, the data coming from China has had doubt cast on it by even the most reputable scientific sources in the world. The CCP would have us believe that their top-down authoritarianism is working, while they lie through their teeth about the damage being caused. Even the doctor who first identified the virus was silenced for telling the truth.

The US apparatus being misused by the Trump administration is actually top notch.
I agree about China and the raw ability of the American response. In North America health authorities are state and local and they are the real Gods in this realm, the feds are suppose to be in a coordinating and supporting role to the people in the front lines. State and local authorities might be reluctant to send personal and resources to other overwhelmed states in this kind of potential crises. The USA is the best equipped to deal with this, but poor unfit leadership can do a lot to fuck things up and so far it has.

I understand the administration appointed a competent professional to do the heavy lifting for Pence, so there's hope. Much of this trouble was caused by and exacerbated by Trump and he continues to blather about it. This is another reason to vote!

What about the R4, an overestimation?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Here is something I just watched that might be helpful to others, for context
Here is how a virus spreads
When looking at how infections spread, scientists have taken into consideration all environmental and biological factors and come up with a number called R0

 

DIY-HP-LED

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Nobody knows the real number yet, it's just an estimate and expert opinion based on what is known so far. We all have opinions, but we are not the POTUS speaking out of our assholes on national TV for political purposes. Trump is one of the reasons it got so bad so quickly in North America by negligently handling evacuations to America and crippling the established response and early detection mechanism. Lack of test kits and general preparedness are now making the problem worse. Help is on the way they appointed a professional to do the heavy lifting from here on out.

Who’s on the U.S. Coronavirus Task Force
Several of the nation’s top health officials are among those sitting on an advisory panel formed by President Trump.

 
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Budzbuddha

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MORON Trump Triggers Furious Backlash Over ‘Go To Work’ With Coronavirus Claim


"DO NOT GO TO WORK IF HAVE CORONAVIRUS AND THANK YOU,"
MSNBC's Chris Hayes responded to Trump's suggestion.

Twitter users took President Donald Trump to task after he suggested in a rambling interview that it would be OK if people infected with the coronavirus ignored official advice to isolate and went to work instead......

Trump told Fox NewsSean Hannity on Wednesday night:


A lot of people will have this and it’s very mild. They’ll get better very rapidly. They don’t even see a doctor. They don’t even call a doctor. You never hear about those people. So you can’t put them down in the category of the overall population in terms of this corona flu and/or virus. So you just can’t do that. So, if you know, we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work. Some of them go to work, but they get better.

( He has also begun calling it the Corona “ flu “ , denies WHO numbers because of a “ hunch “ , and continues to compare it to the “ flu “ ... stupid and unteachable ) :wall:

Trump has been peddling falsehoods and downplaying the virus threat amid his administration’s haphazard response, even as COVID-19 illnesses spread in the U.S.

Critics on social media appeared exasperated by Trump’s “go to work” suggestion, which contradicts Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidance that people with COVID-19 should “not go to work school or public areas” and “avoid using public transportation, ride-sharing or taxis.”
 

DIY-HP-LED

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MORON Trump Triggers Furious Backlash Over ‘Go To Work’ With Coronavirus Claim


"DO NOT GO TO WORK IF HAVE CORONAVIRUS AND THANK YOU,"
MSNBC's Chris Hayes responded to Trump's suggestion.

Twitter users took President Donald Trump to task after he suggested in a rambling interview that it would be OK if people infected with the coronavirus ignored official advice to isolate and went to work instead......

Trump told Fox NewsSean Hannity on Wednesday night:


A lot of people will have this and it’s very mild. They’ll get better very rapidly. They don’t even see a doctor. They don’t even call a doctor. You never hear about those people. So you can’t put them down in the category of the overall population in terms of this corona flu and/or virus. So you just can’t do that. So, if you know, we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work. Some of them go to work, but they get better.

( He has also begun calling it the Corona “ flu “ , denies WHO numbers because of a “ hunch “ , and continues to compare it to the “ flu “ ... stupid and unteachable ) :wall:

Trump has been peddling falsehoods and downplaying the virus threat amid his administration’s haphazard response, even as COVID-19 illnesses spread in the U.S.

Critics on social media appeared exasperated by Trump’s “go to work” suggestion, which contradicts Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidance that people with COVID-19 should “not go to work school or public areas” and “avoid using public transportation, ride-sharing or taxis.”
What do you expect, it's Donald! Is anybody really surprised at his speech, behavior and inept performance during this crises? In some ways Donald is very predictable.
 
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