Now or Later?

What's going on guys and gals?:blsmoke:

This is my first post, been reading for a while now though. This is also my first grow and I've run into a situation today, but first,' here is my set-up.


  • Growing with FF Ocean Forest; actually started with it too and they are doing well! (Won't do it again though)
  • I've got six, 5 gallon buckets
  • General Hydro nutes
  • 400W HPS(on 24 hrs for vegging)
  • 4x4x6"11 tent
  • 1 fan
  • 1 carbon filter, with exhaust
  • 5.7 weeks old
  • 1ft"9 tall
  • Average of 82 degrees F ( I know, I know, someday I'll get a nice AC unit to fit inside;-)
  • I topped 2 using the F.I.M method, 2 using the traditional topping method, 2 I left alone
  • Am I missing anything?

I decided today that I would begin to flower using the 12/12 light schedule. At that moment it struck me that my girls will either double or triple during the flowering stage. So my question is, is there anything else I can do to make them grow horiz. instead of vertic. and if so, is it OK to do that and begin flowering at the same time?

Thanks everyone!

-Mick
 

StickeeGreens

Well-Known Member
First you have the wrong light for veg! Switch to a MH bulb amd put your timer on 18/6 24 hrs is too much u will experience diminished retirns. Dending on your strain will ne your stretch in flower. My advice is garden steaks n lean n bend them a little at a time to keep the canopylevel
 

StickeeGreens

Well-Known Member
And FYI...FIM method means Fuck I Missed. The author of that article actually missed the growth node n had to clip it again lol hence... Fuck I Missed
 

Cr33p

Member
I agree with the MH bulb, although HPS will get the job done. I do not agree with 24hr light being bad. MJ does not need a dark cycle through vegetation.
 

iNUPE

Active Member
a little article on why you should use a dark cycle in veg (although 24/0 DOES WORK

[h=2]Do Roots Really Grow in the Dark?[/h]
Note: diels alder was instrumental in helping turn this very technical subject into something much easier to understand. This is by no means a complete, technical explanation of Botany, rather it’s an understanding of the basic principles.

Many times I’ve seen in posts that “roots grow during the dark.”. If this were true, the 24/0 photoperiod would result in a plant with a tiny root structure, if one at all! We know this is not the case - so how does it actually work?

To simplify things, lets use an analogy. Try to think of a plant as a building… one constantly under construction. The plant needs raw materials, (fertilizers and water), and energy (light) in order to “build itself”. The raw materials are the “bricks and mortar” of the building. The energy is the workers, vehicles and power tools used to assemble the building.

The Plant is capable of storing some raw materials and some energy for use later, but the amount is limited...think of a warehouse and a battery.

* During the day, (Lights ON) the plant is collecting and storing light energy, and is using and storing raw materials. The plant is stockpiling raw material, and is charging it’s batteries… it is ALSO using raw materials and using the energy it is collecting. It’s building itself, literally putting itself together.

During the day however, the plant is not as efficient at building itself, as it is at night (lights OFF.) It can build itself, but not as quickly.

* While the lights are OFF, the plant is using energy and raw materials to build itself…. the plant is more efficiently using the raw materials that it stored during the day. The plant is better at transporting and assembling the raw materials.

The bad news: since there is no light energy, the plant must rely on energy it stored while the lights were ON (its stored energy). (Essentially, the plant is running on batteries, and using raw material from the warehouse.)

There is no light energy to collect. Since the plant needs energy to absorb more raw materials, it is easier for the plant to use raw materials that it stored during the day than it is to absorb raw materials through its roots.

* Although the plant IS capable of “doing it all” with the lights on, (Collect, store and use energy & raw materials) it does a better job of actually doing the work (using the energy and raw material) while the lights are out. During the dark however, it relies solely on its limited supply of stored energy and stored raw material.

One last thing to remember is the fact that a plant will always strive to maintain a balance between the size of its roots and the size of its canopy (Leaf mass.) The roots must be big enough to supply as much raw materials as the canopy can use, and the canopy must be big enough to provide the energy required to store those raw materials….

* Trim the roots on a healthy plant, and canopy growth will slow to a crawl until the roots have grown big enough to again support the canopy.

* Trim the TOP of a healthy plant, and root growth will slow similarly, until the canopy has grown big enough to again support the roots.

* If the plant is already in balance, the canopy and the roots will grow at the same rate.

If you actually measured them several times daily over several days, you’d notice that they actually DO get bigger at night, but roots and canopy at the same rate, unless either has been trimmed, and as long as the “batteries” hold out.

Author: Smokey D Dope
 

MidnightJoker

Well-Known Member
To start with, growing under a HPS light 24/0 is not wrong. Under the 24/0 light cycle your plants will grow 30% faster than an 18/6 light cycle. I usually advise to use a MH for veg, but if you don't have one, it's not the end of the world.

For your tent size and number of plants, you really should be using a 600w or 1kw light. I personally use a 600w with a cool tube, same tent size, and my temps never go above 75F. I would really put some money into getting a better light to maximize your yields.

Have you tried training your plants so they will grow horizontal? At this point, that is all you can really do without harming your plants and having a hermie. Sounds like you may have vegged them too long, imo. I generally will only veg for 3 weeks. A good rule of thumb, you can flip the plants when a Sativa dom gets to 8" and a Indica dom gets to 12". Hope that helps some.
 

Cr33p

Member
I understand how plants work. I still hold to nothing wrong with 24 hr. Note that I did not say plants in general, I said MJ. I can say confidently, from my own experience, there is overall more growth (24 hr) in a 3 week veg (than 18hr).
 
Thanks everyone! Haha, I had no idea F.I.M. stood for "Fuck I missed". Awesome, and I thought I was being all informative and shit, LQL.

Yeah, for the next babies that go in I will certainly buy a MH bulb, I have the system that converts b/t HPS and MH. Im def. going to have to check out some articles on the discussion of 24 hrs compared to 18 hrs. Personally I would think that 24 hrs would stress the plant as it has no time to "chill", but I was told to do an 24 hr period so I followed:shock:

Tonight I begin flowering and some LST and hopefully Ill have a huge smile on my face in a few months:mrgreen::leaf: Ill be starting to keep a journal shortly that will include pics n' all so if you're interested come check it out. Later...
 

KI11TH3W3AK

Active Member
hey man i say stay with hps(y waste money) and i would consider LST(Low stress training) it looks scary to try but works wonders that will make those things bushy as all hell! Good luck man happy growing
 

StickeeGreens

Well-Known Member
I agree with the MH bulb, although HPS will get the job done. I do not agree with 24hr light being bad. MJ does not need a dark cycle through vegetation.
my friend...what natural plant on Gods green earth grows with 24 hr light. In nature it doesnt happen, and the plants physiology isnt meant for it either, plants need sleep its a fact. Hell jst look at your plants! in flowering they should stand up when the light are on, and after they go off they should relax and almost "lay down" as to how they were before. and i do disagree about the HPS being OK for flower...absolutely not! during the natural change in seasons the earths tilt on its axis cause the sunlight to enter earth at different angle, this also has a drastic effect on the light spectrum. it is proven during vegetative growth plant respond better to a bluer light, and to a redder light in flower
 
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