Nute Burn is a MYTH ! What Nute BURN !

cowboylogic

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because you dont know, you all think it's wrong. You'll learn something new today and this is coming from a newb !
No most of us did not learn anything new. I figure your flock you will draw on this one will raise very little dust while following you, oh Great Grow God. Oh, Pigs can fly, mice eat rattle snakes and Obama is doing a great job. And its NOT BP's fault. Now we all learned something new, all just as untrue, but new none the less.
 

Wetdog

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because you dont know, you all think it's wrong. You'll learn something new today and this is coming from a newb !
Yes, we learned that you are a total idiot with no understanding of botany or spelling. Go 'goggle' that.

What a maroone!

Wet
 

cowboylogic

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you will probably up your yields and lose flavor and potency... good trade...i dont know ask yourself
No, probaly decrease yield along with potentcy and taste due to the added stress. Yes I know a high dose of P or two at the right time during flower to induce some stress is a common method of increasing resin. I am talking about all out nute stress. It will dcrease the entire vigor of the plant.
 

Lil Czr

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And it's threads such as this that have a lot of the really good growers leaving this site.

Utter bull spewed by ignorant people.
 

edsthreads

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I think he could have worded the title a bit better, I know what he's trying to say.. but the title of this thread is all wrong and misleading
 

cowboylogic

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I find the 'salt build up' causes it part quite funny. How many young plants have been toasted on their very first feeding? Dont answer that! The number would take up too much server space. LOL It would be something out of a Carl Sagan lecture.
 

Lil Czr

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He should have said something like:

Nute burn is ALMOST impossible with ORGANICS, or something along those lines.

But then there are organic ferts that will burn the hell out your plants, try pouring a box of blood meal on your plants and see what happens.

Then maybe he wouldn't have come off sounding like a loon.

It pays to know what you're talking about before turning into Professor MJ.
 

J.cun.Shallow

Active Member
so what do ppl start there nutes at? how much is to much? I start mine 1/2 recomeded full dose on the bottle loads ppl say thats to much and should only start with 1/4 but im doin half and they look fine at 13 days old and the leaves look a little light green for my liking
 

khm916

Active Member
when i started from seed my plants were much more sensitive to ferts then my friends gdp i had to start at 1/4 and just now 9 weeks in flower have i got up to full strength
 

Lil Czr

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so what do ppl start there nutes at? how much is to much? I start mine 1/2 recomeded full dose on the bottle loads ppl say thats to much and should only start with 1/4 but im doin half and they look fine at 13 days old and the leaves look a little light green for my liking
Again, if it's an organic fert, it more than likely won't burn your plants even at full strength.

It's when you get into chemical and chelated minerals ferts that you start running the risk of serious burn.

So, it all depends nn which ferts you are using.
 

J.cun.Shallow

Active Member
ok this is a bit stupid I know............but I dont know if the base nutes I'm using are organic or not its cocos a+b. if anyone knows please let me know lol (yes I have googled it etc)
I think im understanding this but why is organic nutes less likely to burn plants?
using that shooting powder which is chemical I believe gave me what I considered to be nuteburn and that was using 1/2 strength
 

Brick Top

New Member
My guess is the thread started stumbled across the piece found below. What was failed to be mentioned is that salts inhibit plant growth by osmotic stress, nutritional imbalance, and specific ion toxicity so pouring on nutes the way being recommended is still a very injudicious thing for one to do.

Also, one does have to question the claims being made in that very early in the piece a blatant flaw is found. It says; “transpiration, where the light pulls water and nutrients up through the plant ..”

Transpiration is the loss of water by evaporation in terrestrial plants, especially through the stomata (accompanied by a corresponding water uptake from the roots); a process in which the water vapor escapes through the plant via its stomata and lenticels into its external environment (atmosphere).

Evaporation does to a degree depend upon temperature/heat, which can come from lighting, but light itself does not cause transpiration and evaporation. Certain functional dependencies overpower or overcome the temperature effect. Even more dominant effects are relative humidity and wind speed/air movement.

Something so basic should have been known by someone purporting to be knowledgeable enough in plant biology to tell others how things work.




Suberin... WTF?


NewSkool http://www.theskunkhouse.com/index.php/all-about-cannabis/science-a-theory/100-suberin-wtf?format=pdfhttp://www.theskunkhouse.com/index.php/all-about-cannabis/science-a-theory/100-suberin-wtf?tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page=http://www.theskunkhouse.com/index.php/component/mailto/?tmpl=component&link=aHR0cDovL3d3dy50aGVza3Vua2hvdXNlLmNvbS9pbmRleC5waHAvYWxsLWFib3V0LWNhbm5hYmlzL3NjaWVuY2UtYS10aGVvcnkvMTAwLXN1YmVyaW4td3Rm

Nov 02 |10:24
Last Updated on Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:33

Suberin, I'm pretty sure is the word on everybody's mind right now. Gotta be pretty dumb to have never heard of suberin before, right? Well here at The Skunkhouse Magazine we're opening the lid on suberin and showing you exactly what suberin is and what the fuck it has to do with our plants.
Suberin is a complex fat produced outside and inside plant cells to regulate the intake of water and nutrients. It is presently believed by a lot of good marijuana growers that the nutrient uptake process only happens in 3 different ways... transpiration, where the light pulls water and nutrients up through the plant; osmosis, the force of the water from the medium pushes itself into the semi permeable membrane; finally, the roots simply bump into the nutrients as they grow. While all three of these are true, this implies that the nutrient and water uptake process is purely passive, meaning the plant has no choice in the matter. Osmotic pressure forces it in, they say... transpiration pulls everything up through the plant... and even when the poor roots bump into nutrients and water they've got no choice but to let them both in. Wrong.
Land plants have evolved lipophilic (easily broken down by certain compounds) barriers that protect the internal
living tissues from dehydration, injuries, and pathogens, and have evolved regulatory networks to adjust the barriers to the changing physiological and environmental conditions of the plant. Plant primary organs, such as young stems and leaves, are protected by the cuticle, a lipophilic extracellular polymer membrane composed of cutin and waxes. You've probably seen this skin type substance yourself on young seedlings after removing the seed casing too early, often the cotyledons will be held together by a skin type substance. Secondary (mature) stems and roots, tubers, and healing tissues are protected by cork, a tissue with multiple layers of cells that are dead at maturity. Key compounds for cork impermeability are suberin, a complex polymer comprising both aliphatic (intoxicating) and aromatic domains, and associated waxes. Cork is part of the plant constitutive defence system and contains secondary compounds such as triterpenoids and soluble phenylpropanoids that act on herbivores, microbes, and fungi.
In the root zone suberin works by preventing both the uptake of water and nutrients depending on certain environmental and physiological factors. So it doesn't matter what ratios of nutrients or in what concentrations they are in so long as pH is in range and there are enough nutrients hitting the root surface to support optimum growth then the plant will grow fine. Indeed it is my own surmission, at this present time, that by feeding a higher concentration of nutrients than is needed by the plant we can cut down the plant's need for transpiration. So the plant drinks less but uses more nutrients.

All over the web you will be told that you can over fertilise your plants, you will even be shown symptoms of over fertilisation in pictures on websites such as Greenman's Page or even in books by Jorge Cervantes. The images they are showing you is from under nutrition, which can be caused by a lot of different things, from bad pH to root rot. You might also be told by certain growers that they can tell which nutrients the plant has too much of... they are all wrong. So the next time a grower looks at your plants and tells you that you've over fertilised you can tell them they're wrong and point them to this article. If you have any questions related to this article then please feel free to use the comments boxes below.
To prove just how good suberin is we did an experiment and you can read the full account here: The Suberin Experiment


http://www.theskunkhouse.com/index.php/all-about-cannabis/science-a-theory/100-suberin-wtf
 

rowlman

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Or you can drink the nutes then piss on the seeds. Or drink nutes and vomit right in your soil, either way there will be no nute burn...heartburn maybe...but no nute burn

Sorry this sould of been on page 1
 
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