Nutes?!!? Did I Screw up

BlazeOnEm

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Hi, If you cant tell by the title this is my first grow. I have 5 plants in a windowbox 22"x6"x6", and they are about two weeks old, from seed. The plants have been looking good, but now not only have the two tallest plants developed yellowish tips, but all the plants have kinda turned pale green. Also spidermites, a small infestation i would say, so i got a formula with 0.9% neem oil in it from walmart along with miracle grow food spikes. Just sprayed soil, not plants with miticide(though it may be to strong for seedlings) and put spikes in today. Im not sure what these numbers mean exactly, but the nutes where 6-12-6. Any criticism will be taken as constructive, lol.
 

AquafinaOrbit

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Well besides the fact that those nutes would be be bad to use no matter what due to the way they release and little control you have over them, they are also incorrect because that is more of the flowering needs then vegetative ones. I've used a spray like that before on young plants not much over 2 weeks and though the plants did seem to show some affects atleast where they were directly hit with the spray, they did recover just fine.
 

Douche Nozzle

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Plants that are in the same container fight each other for nutes and grow space and will show in the plants. Put them in there own containers with plenty of space for roots to roam free. Happy roots= happy plants.
 

BlazeOnEm

Active Member
(aquafina) so are you saying the spikes are fine, just get a different kind, or forget the spikes totally. Also, what do the x-x-x numbers mean, and what numbers should i be looking for, for vegging. Ill assume just to keep the nutes i have until flowering.
 

BlazeOnEm

Active Member
ok, i understand what the numbers mean, but what "nute ratio" should i be using for late seedling early veggeing
 

NewGrow60sToker

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PLANT FOOD AND NUTRIENTS

Plant foods have 3 main ingredients that will be the mainstay of the garden, Nitrogen, Phosphorus, and Potassium. These 3 ingredients are usually listed on the front label of the plant food in the order of N-P-K. A 20-20-20 plant food has a Nitrogen level of 20%.
Secondary nutrients are Calcium, Sulphur and Magnesium. In trace quantities, boron, copper, molybenum, zink, iron, and manganese.
Depending on stage of growth, different nutrients are needed at different times. For rooting and germination, levels of high P nutrients with less N/K are needed. Vegetative growth needs lots of N, and human urine is one of the better sources, (mix 8 ounces to 1 gallon water), although it is not a complete fertilizer unto itself. 20-20-20 with trace elements should do it; I like Miracle Grow Patio food. Watch for calcium, magnesium, sulfur and iron levels too. These are important. One tablespoon of dolomite or hydrated lime is used per gallon of growing medium when a hydroponic medium is first brought on-line, to provide nitrogen, calcium and magnesium. Epsom salts are used to enhance magnesium and sulphur levels in solution.
Tobacco grown with potassium nitrate burns better. Plant foods with PN (P2N3) are foods such as Miracle Grow. This is an excellent fertilizer for vegetative growth, or through the flowering cycle as well. Consider however, potassium nitrate is also known as Salt Peter, and is used to make men have less sexual desire or impotent, such as in mental institutions. So if certain plants are destined for cooking, you might use Fish Emulsion or some other totally organic fertilizer on these plants, at least in the last weeks of flowering.
Most hydroponic solutions should be in the range of 150-600 parts per million in disolved solids. 300-400 ppm is optimum. It is possible to test your solution or soil with a electrical conductivity meter if your unsure of what your giving your plants.
Keep in mind most disolved solids readings are usually on the low side, and actual nutrient levels are usually higher. It is possible with passive hydroponics, to get nutrient build-up over several feedings, to the point the medium is over saturated in nutrients. Just feed straight water now and again, until you notice the plants are not as green (slightly), then resume normal feeding.
"Pumping" is when you use more waterings to make the plants grow faster. This is dangerous if you proceed in a reckless manner, due to potential over-watering problems. You must go slowly and watch the plants daily and even hourly at first to be sure your not over-watering the plants. Use weaker plant food mixtures than normal, maybe 25%, and be sure your leaching once a month and running straight water through the plants at least every other time you water. This applies mainly to plants grown in soil mediums.
Use of light strength Oxygen Plus plant food (or Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide) allows the roots to breath better and prevents problems with over-watering. Check soil to be sure there are no PH anomalies that might be due to Hydrogen Peroxide in the solution. (One experienced grower told me he would not use H2O2 (HP) due to possible PH problems. This should not be a problem if your checking PH and correcting for it in watering solutions.)
Be sure your medium has good drainage. At this point, if your watering soil based plants once a week, you can water every 3-5 days instead if you plant them in a medium with better drainage. Pearlite or lava rock will greatly increase the drainage of the medium and make watering necessary more often. This will pump the plants; they will tend to grow faster because of the enhanced oxygen to the roots. Make sure the plant medium is almost dry before watering again, as the plant grows faster this way.
An alternative is to use a standard plant food mixture (stronger) once every 3 waterings. The nutrients are suspended in the medium and stored in the soil for later use. The nutrients are washed out by 2 straight waterings afterward and there is no salts build up in the soil. (Does not apply to hydroponics.)
Stop all plant food 2 weeks before harvesting, so that the plants don't taste like plant food. (This applies to hydroponics as well.)
WARNING: Do not over-fertilize. It will kill your plants. Always read the instructions for the fertilizer being used. Use 1/2 strength if adding to the water for all feedings in soil or hydroponics if you are unsure of what your plants can take. Build up slowly to higher concentrations of food over time. Novice soil growers tend to over-fertilize their plants. Mineral salts build up over time to higher levels of disolved solids. Use straight water for one feeding in hydroponics if it is believed the buildup is getting too great. Leach plants in pots every month. If your plants look REALLY green, withhold food for a while to be sure they are not being over-fed.

Hope that helps.
 

NewGrow60sToker

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ok, i understand what the numbers mean, but what "nute ratio" should i be using for late seedling early veggeing

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High in.....................................Nitrogen (the 1st number in the x-x-x).
 

dinkydigger

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just get some MG all purpose....it'll work fine for what you need...oh and it's 24-8-16.. or just find a food with high N (the first #)...
 

BlazeOnEm

Active Member
thanks for the help guys. One more question, does anyone know of a way to reduce the odds of my plant being a male
 
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