Nutes/ppm question

dirtdan

Member
Hey !
I use GH flora series and Cal/Mag.
Milwaukee MW802 (700ppm)

I want 500ppm for veg but when I use 1/2tsp of Micro, 1/2tsp Gro and 1/4 of Gro I get 480ppm including the 70ppm from the filtered water. Which is where I want it for veg stage.
But, adding the Cal/Mag gets it to 930ppm. (Yes, I mix cal/mag first)
So, do you calculate your ppms with or without the cal/mag ?
 

Renfro

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You mean 500 PPM of calmag? Thats a LOT, like 2x a strong calmag feed.

You sure you trust the meter?

I recommend measuring additions in mL, it's more accurate. Using syringes or graduated cylinders for larger amounts.
 

Renfro

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So long as your mix is properly balanced then you can just cut the PPM down by adding some water, then pH and use it.

As to PPM's, this is only important as it relays an overall strength of minerals in the solution. Plants generally start getting pissed if you have an EC greater than 2.4 (thats 1200 PPM) depends a lot on the grow and strain. All that matters is the total PPM and the balance of elements.

Remember that the "PPM" your meter is displaying is simply a representation of the electrical conductivity of the solution. It is not an exact PPM (mg/l). Some bottles like the micro contain elements that are more conductive to electrical charge and therefore the difference between actual PPM (mg/l) would be greater than a bottle the bloom.

The effect is also not always liner. So if we add 1 ml of a product to a solution that is at say 200 microsiemens (or 0.2 EC or 100 PPM @ 0.5 conversion) and it jumps the conductivity by 50 µs (25 PPM) we might see that adding 1 ml to a solution that is already at 2000 µs only raises the total by 20 µs or we may see a rise of 80 µs.

So in short, the EC measurements we take with our pens simply relate an overall conductivity. You could have a solution thats strong in nitrogen but only 800 PPM burn your plants where a more balanced solution at 1200 PPM doesn't burn them. An over abundance of one element can be a problem as well as an over abundance of the whole.

To better understand your nutrients checkout this thread

 

dirtdan

Member
Ppm stated by manuf is based on the nutes/bottles they show not any additional ones u add
Thanks
You mean 500 PPM of calmag? Thats a LOT, like 2x a strong calmag feed.

You sure you trust the meter?

I recommend measuring additions in mL, it's more accurate. Using syringes or graduated cylinders for larger amounts.
No, 500ppm of nutes but adding Calimagic pretty much doubles the ppm. (1ml/liter of Calmag)
Yes, I use a syringe.
 
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dirtdan

Member
So long as your mix is properly balanced then you can just cut the PPM down by adding some water, then pH and use it.

As to PPM's, this is only important as it relays an overall strength of minerals in the solution. Plants generally start getting pissed if you have an EC greater than 2.4 (thats 1200 PPM) depends a lot on the grow and strain. All that matters is the total PPM and the balance of elements.

Remember that the "PPM" your meter is displaying is simply a representation of the electrical conductivity of the solution. It is not an exact PPM (mg/l). Some bottles like the micro contain elements that are more conductive to electrical charge and therefore the difference between actual PPM (mg/l) would be greater than a bottle the bloom.

The effect is also not always liner. So if we add 1 ml of a product to a solution that is at say 200 microsiemens (or 0.2 EC or 100 PPM @ 0.5 conversion) and it jumps the conductivity by 50 µs (25 PPM) we might see that adding 1 ml to a solution that is already at 2000 µs only raises the total by 20 µs or we may see a rise of 80 µs.

So in short, the EC measurements we take with our pens simply relate an overall conductivity. You could have a solution thats strong in nitrogen but only 800 PPM burn your plants where a more balanced solution at 1200 PPM doesn't burn them. An over abundance of one element can be a problem as well as an over abundance of the whole.

To better understand your nutrients checkout this thread

Thanks for that article. Very interesting.
 

dirtdan

Member
It shouldn't be raising the PPM that much.
Just checked, calibrated meter with 7ph and 1413 ec.
(700 conversion meter)

-Filtered tap water at 7.2 ph 70ppm and 0.11ec
-Calimagic added at 5ml for 1 gallon is 7.1ph 570ppm and 0.84ec.

Could something be wrong with my meter ?
 

fragileassassin

Well-Known Member
I use 700 scale as well, my stuff should be pretty close.
Also filtered tap water that comes out 70-80ppm
1g per gallon of epsom adds right around 140ppm (I need it under the white led)
3ml per gallon of calimagic (a little over recommended half dose) adds 230ppm.
I use this as my starting water at ~450ppm and add desired nutes from there.
The highest ppm (700 scale) ive been able to feed my plants in flower has been around 1150ppm total.
 

Renfro

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Ahh at the 700 scale.... that does make a difference.

Know that the feed schedules usually use a 0.5 conversion PPM if there is one provided at all.

With the 0.7 scale 1400 PPM = 1000 PPM @ 0.5 scale

The 500 PPM worth of calmag would be 350 @ 0.5
 

Renfro

Well-Known Member
My strong feed is at an EC of 2.4 or 2400 µS. That converts to 1680 PPM at the 0.7 scale.
 
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