nutes with cal and mag

it seems every man and his dog is having problems with calcium and magnesium def. is there any nutes that you can buy that already has ample amounts included. i use bioheaven and that doesnt seem to cut the mustad so just wondering what else there is out there?

Tap water has a fair amount.

anyone else using nutes with higher amounts than tap water!

Yeah, i use Growtek CALMAX. Works pretty good as far as I can tell.

cheers ganymede, i was getting a bit fed up of having to buy a different bottle of product for every additive on the market but it looks like thats what ill have to do, it would be nice if something like bio grow had sufficient amounts of the two. but its in there best interest to get us buying as many add ons as possible i suppose.
thanks again
lu

I just add dolomite lime to my mix and that takes care of it.

If you're in hydro, IDK.

Dyna-Gro has cal/mag in it.

Wet

found this on the net.

Certain fertilizers generally cannot be mixed at high concentrations. Fertilizer compounds containing sulfate, (for example magnesium sulfate), are not compatible in solution with calcium nitrate because a reaction occurs where insoluble calcium sulfate (gypsum) will form as a precipitate (solid). If a blended fertilizer contains both calcium and magnesium, then the sources have to be calcium nitrate and magnesium nitrate. Similarly, calcium nitrate and monoammonium phosphate cannot be mixed in the same concentrated solution because insoluble calcium phosphate will form as a precipitate.
Sorry, but you asked. ;o)
The short version is that the chemicals used in soluble fertilizers tend to cause Ca to precipitate (fall out) of solution as an insoluble solid where is if no value to the plant, so why include it?
A few fertilizers, like Foliage-Pro 9-3-6 DO contain good amounts of Ca and Mg in the proper proportions. It should be an excellent fertilizer for houseplants.

here is some more info,

Hi, Joel. You're right. Even though Calcium (Ca) is generally found in plant tissues at about 1/10 as much as N. it is extremely important. Ca is virtually immobile in plants (this means the plant cannot rob it from old leaves to help make the new leaves, like it can do with Nitrogen), so plants need a continual supply of Ca as new leaves form. The stability and function of cell membranes requires Ca to act as sort of a "glue" in the form calcium pectate, which binds adjacent cells together. If adequate amounts of Ca are not transported during cell formation, tissues become less stable and prone to disintegration. As a Ca deficiency arises, concentrations of Ca will be higher in older, already formed foliage, so it is the newest growth which first shows deficiency symptoms. Often tip burn and/or twisted or cupped growth are indicators.
Ca also plays a role in activating enzymes and messenger chemicals in the plant, regulating the flow of water movement in cells and is essential for all cell growth and division. It also acts as a buffer when excesses of other elements are in soils, making it an important component of root vitality.
Al

thanks for the replies, wetdog i have added lime to all my new grows but still have 4 on the go with no lime added and the difference is unreal. i was feeding extra bioheaven but that just does not cut it. all my future grows will hae lime added, the plants just look a lot healthier. i will have to pick up some cal mag or cal max somewhere.
clam digger thanks for that informative reply, plenty of info there and sorted a few things out for me. nice ne
rep for you guys
lu

anytime man, another cause of Ca/Mg deficiency is overfeeding, happened to some AK-48 seedlings that got fed too early, now i add dolomite lime to all soil and its much easier to maintain healthy mothers for long periods of time.
Epsom Salts (bath salts) have lots of Mg.
+rep for you too

CalMag by bonticare been using it for years has few trace elements in it. Some iron and not sure what else. Or J.R peters calcium nitrate and his hydro blend. Those 2 combine will give ya all the calcium and mag you'll need

good info, i have been looking for Peters anything (lol) but im in Cannadah and its hard to find
i use Epsom Salts and CalPlex in a foliar feed for any serious deficiency.

I've been using epsom salts as a magnesium supplement for many years. $4.95 for a 1/2 gallon container of water soluble crystals. Lasts me about 6 months. Believe it or not, you can purchase all your nutes at places like walmart and home depot for 1/10 what the hydro stores sell them for. You just have to know what to look for.

i was using this stuff from the aquarium shop called proper ph 6.5 and after doing more reading on it i think it removes too much from the water, it strips the water of heavy metals and detoxifies them so in the grow soil certain nutrients would have been locked out by the plant, it also strips all the chlorine from the water aswell and plants need chlorine all be it in small doses, removing it altogether is bad as far as i can tell.
thanks for all the replies. i just have to find some ph down and hopefully that will leave enough calcium in the water and then add my epsom.
always learning concerning growing weed.
lu

Adding small amounts of vinegar to your water will lower the ph, and it doesn't mess with any nutes the way some other ph adjusters do. $0.99 for a quart at most grocery stores. Lemon juice works too.

thanks rj, your the second person thats said that to me so i must give it a go, i can only get the ph down locally for 35 a bottle, so its a little cheaper aswell eh!
nice one
lu

I learned a long time ago to listen to the farmers near my home. All the fancy, hocus-pocus, snake oils that are on the market are nothing more than the very basic nutrients/soil treatments needed by plants, and everything can be purchased cheaper at non-specialty stores. Example: SNS604 A+B. Something like US$90 per quart each. It's simply tiny amounts of kelp, humic acid, and growth hormone in water. All ingredients can be purchased separately and in way larger quantities here in the US for around $19 total. There's a product called Sweet (or something like that) that people are paying over $20 a pint for. It's nothing but a few drops of molasses in water. I went to the grocery store and bought a years supply of molasses for like $3.00. If you'd like more tips on saving money, just pm me. edit: sorry I'm off topic, just trying to pass along some money saving info.

Botanicare cal mag plus or magiCal by Technaflora.

cheers dnk, rj i want to move to the states!, we have a hard time getting hold of any calmag over here and you guys over there can by the individual ingredients to make your own nutes, go figure. im sure i was reading i think top max and all that was in that was humic and kelp, so yes your bang on. if you can get hold of the stuff.
cheers
lu

The only thing with that RJ is that your molasses isn't engineered for plant uptake.

dnkfrmthasoilz7 said:

The only thing with that RJ is that your molasses isn't engineered for plant uptake.

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I apologize, I should have been more specific. BLACK STRAP MOLASSES. All the botanical websites support the use of black strap molasses.
With all due respect, if you believe that there's a specially made molasses that is engineered specifically for plant use, I have some swamp property and a bridge in NYC I'd like to sell you, lol!