Nutrient calculations

Tigerpaws

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Can some one explain the fertilizer chart to me. I'm trying to learn about ppms. If you look at week 1 in soil it gives the ml of each nutrient to use and then at the bottom it says (200 ppm). What does that mean and how do you arrive at that. I don't have an RO filter yet so for now my tap water is 400 ppm. How does that all come together?
 

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OldMedUser

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High Tigerpaws

First thing you want is better water. At least get RO water and dilute your tap water half and half to get it down to 200 max. 400ppm is pretty hard and in no time you'll end up with so much mineral buildup in your pots that you'll really mess your plants up. Still will need to flush every 10 waterings or so at 200 ppm.

Those numbers at the bottom of that chart are approximations. You would subtract the starting ppm of the water from whatever it is after adding nutes to figure out the actual ppm of the nutes you added.

600ppm total
-400ppm starting
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200ppm actual nutes

I only use RO or distilled water with my plants and that cuts way down on possible problems. Even at $3 for a 5gal jug it's cheaper than dead plants. :)

Good luck!

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Tigerpaws

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Hey thanks for the info!
problems is where I'm at right now! I flushed this lady with 6 gallons last night, 10 gal pot, and the runoff was like 2400 ppm. I used the recommended dose at every watering which was every 3 to 4 days and never did a flush. Hopefully they finish OK!
BTW I have an RO filter on the way and will definitely be more conscience of my feeding/ ppm levels.
 

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OldMedUser

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Looks like you got some nice phat buds going on there!. I can see signs of toxic salts buildup what with some of the bigger leaves getting dry and crispy. Tends to happen later in flowering when nute and mineral levels are too high. Plants really don't need a lot of nutes the last couple weeks as they are just fattening up the buds and not growing any new plant material where they do need lots of food.

That is pretty freaking high ppm for runoff. Lots of minerals built up in the pot from your water for sure. The plant sucks up mostly water and leaves those salts behind just like what builds up in your kettle after a while. At least you can fill the kettle with vinegar to clean it out. Not recommended for plants tho. ;)

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OldMedUser

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Sounds reasonable to me but your ferts are pretty high in K for veg and could lead to potassium toxicity over time. Too high in N for flowering too.

I don't grow in coco but have heard that it needs extra CalMag as the coco binds those up and makes them unavailable to the plant. There is very likely enough of both in your tap water but something to remember should you go with RO only.

I'm a huge fan of Advanced Nutrients and have been using them almost exclusively the last 15 years. Switched to their 2-part Sensi and Connoisseur a couple years ago but can't really restrict the N in later flowering the way I want so recently bought gallon jugs of their 3-part so I can go Lucas formula after the stretch. Other than that I only use Big Bud, Rhino Skin and some off brand CalMag for all my growing whether in soilless or DWC. With the pH Perfect nutes I haven't bothered checking pH for the last couple years either with no noticeable problems.

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Tigerpaws

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Sounds reasonable to me but your ferts are pretty high in K for veg and could lead to potassium toxicity over time. Too high in N for flowering too.

I don't grow in coco but have heard that it needs extra CalMag as the coco binds those up and makes them unavailable to the plant. There is very likely enough of both in your tap water but something to remember should you go with RO only.

I'm a huge fan of Advanced Nutrients and have been using them almost exclusively the last 15 years. Switched to their 2-part Sensi and Connoisseur a couple years ago but can't really restrict the N in later flowering the way I want so recently bought gallon jugs of their 3-part so I can go Lucas formula after the stretch. Other than that I only use Big Bud, Rhino Skin and some off brand CalMag for all my growing whether in soilless or DWC. With the pH Perfect nutes I haven't bothered checking pH for the last couple years either with no noticeable problems.

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I'm going to have to use these nutes for awhile. I just bought gallon jugs of all of the products they sell. I have been using 1 t of cal mag per gallon up until today I stopped because I thought I read that I didn't need it with the hardness of my water. I was thinking maybe I was over doing it and maybe that could be contributing to my problem.
 

OldMedUser

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It certainly does contribute to the load of salts in there and hard water has lots of calcium and magnesium so extra isn't needed tho most people still add the CalMag. I never used CalMag at all with the old AN nutes and RO water and never saw deficiencies in either. I just use it at about 1/4 strength now when I do use it. I did used to add a little epsom salts once in a while.

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Tigerpaws

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It certainly does contribute to the load of salts in there and hard water has lots of calcium and magnesium so extra isn't needed tho most people still add the CalMag. I never used CalMag at all with the old AN nutes and RO water and never saw deficiencies in either. I just use it at about 1/4 strength now when I do use it. I did used to add a little epsom salts once in a while.

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What does the Epsom salts do?
 

OldMedUser

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Supplies magnesium and sulfur. Epsom salts is the common name for magnesium sulfate. Saltpeter = potassium nitrate and can be used in moderation to treat a potassium deficiency and supply some nitrogen too. There are many more as all plants eat salts whether from hydro nutes or organic soil growing. In organics the microherd breaks down organic matter into the same salts that are supplied directly with hydro nutes. That's why guys who mix up their own blends of organics wet it down and let it "cook". That allows time for all the bacteria and fungus in the soil break things down into the salts that the plants can feed on.

Lots of interesting things about how plants do their things.

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Tigerpaws

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Supplies magnesium and sulfur. Epsom salts is the common name for magnesium sulfate. Saltpeter = potassium nitrate and can be used in moderation to treat a potassium deficiency and supply some nitrogen too. There are many more as all plants eat salts whether from hydro nutes or organic soil growing. In organics the microherd breaks down organic matter into the same salts that are supplied directly with hydro nutes. That's why guys who mix up their own blends of organics wet it down and let it "cook". That allows time for all the bacteria and fungus in the soil break things down into the salts that the plants can feed on.

Lots of interesting things about how plants do their things.

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It is all very interesting. Now I wish I had paid more attention in science class instead of out back smokin a bowl. Lol For now I guess I'll just have to give the recommended amounts of my ferts and cut them in half and see how that does.
 

Tigerpaws

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So I just watered and the ppms of the runoff was 800 higher. And the pH was 5.8 runoff and 6.8 going in? Should I flush with some straight water? In coco.
 
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