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Coltinthehouse

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I'm new to growing and have been learning as I go. My first harvest will be in 6 weeks. I've done a lot of research and things are going well. My one (important) concern is with nutrients. I'm currently using the Cyco line. Although things are fine I'm wondering if there isn't something cheaper and more convenient. I currently have 36 plants and adding 7 to 8 nutrients to each gallon of water is rather tedious with a full time job. I've heard Fox Farms Trio and Dyna Gro are good with a lot less time involved. Anyone use these or can anyone give me recommendations that are simpler than Cyco but still produces results? Any help would be greatly appreciated. image.jpg
 
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az2000

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Cannabis doesn't need all those bottles. I use Grow More Sea Grow, a dry product which costs about $1 per plant, per grow. I recently harvested this. (200g under 200w of light.). If you wanted to use it I could tell you the amounts I use.

Many on this forum use JR Peters Jack's Classic. It's a similarly priced dry product. There are people who use ordinary MiracleGro too. It's mostly about the NPK ratios.

IMO, the cannabis-specific fertilizers are overpriced gimmicks. A "cannabis tax" for the perception that you're buying something dialed in for cannabis. You can dial in any inexpensive fertilizer products. When you understand the NPK ratios you feed, you can easily change products -- recreating the NPK ratios you'd been using. No mystery with multi-part bottles that hide the actual NPK ratios you're feeding at different stages of growth. No "lineups" that sound like fantasy football.

The lure of cannabis-specific products is that they're proven and safe. But, all you need to know is the NPK ratio. It's trivial to create a ratio with anything.
 
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p.s.... < use's tomato plant re-generator during veg. works out at $1.20 per 10plant weekly feed for 5 weeks. NPK 10-1-1
 
Mad_Prophessor

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Some lineups are better than others. I use Blue Planet Organic High Yield. It has the Grow, Mirco, Bloom as most do, but it also has some boosters and Liquid Seaweed (the plants love that shit). It has a fair amount of mixing involved, but the provide a feed table that takes the guesswork out of it. Also, get yourself a nutrient syringe and it will make the job a lot easier.
 
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Coltinthehouse

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az2000 said:
Cannabis doesn't need all those bottles. I use Grow More Sea Grow, a dry product which costs about $1 per plant, per grow. I recently harvested this. (200g under 200w of light.). If you wanted to use it I could tell you the amounts I use.

Many on this forum use JR Peters Jack's Classic. It's a similarly priced dry product. There are people who use ordinary MiracleGro too. It's mostly about the NPK ratios.

IMO, the cannabis-specific fertilizers are overpriced gimmicks. A "cannabis tax" for the perception that you're buying something dialed in for cannabis. You can dial in any inexpensive fertilizer products. When you understand the NPK ratios you feed, you can easily change products -- recreating the NPK ratios you'd been using. No mystery with multi-part bottles that hide the actual NPK ratios you're feeding at different stages of growth. No "lineups" that sound like fantasy football.

The lure of cannabis-specific products is that they're proven and safe. But, all you need to know is the NPK ratio. It's trivial to create a ratio with anything.
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Sounds like great advice. Thanks a lot!
 
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Coltinthehouse

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Mad_Prophessor said:
Some lineups are better than others. I use Blue Planet Organic High Yield. It has the Grow, Mirco, Bloom as most do, but it also has some boosters and Liquid Seaweed (the plants love that shit). It has a fair amount of mixing involved, but the provide a feed table that takes the guesswork out of it. Also, get yourself a nutrient syringe and it will make the job a lot easier.
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Great advice. What brand of liquid seaweed do you use and at what dosage?
 
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Mad_Prophessor

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Coltinthehouse said:
Thanks a bunch!
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No prob. The whole lineup is just sweet. The Seaweed just promotes such plant health (and accentuates the plants individual flavor), it is silly. My plants also love the Liquid Blue bloom booster too. I have used a few different lineups and I really like this one. I have even tried NOT flushing one plant in the past just to see what it was like and it wasn't bad. I cured any harshness that may have been in there without trying. It isn't expensive either. Bob has been really helpful and supportive in the past whenever I have needed them. Get a 60ml nutrient syringe to make your mixes too (ebay). Let me know how you like it if you do get it.
 
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Mad_Prophessor said:
No prob. The whole lineup is just sweet. The Seaweed just promotes such plant health (and accentuates the plants individual flavor), it is silly. My plants also love the Liquid Blue bloom booster too. I have used a few different lineups and I really like this one. I have even tried NOT flushing one plant in the past just to see what it was like and it wasn't bad. I cured any harshness that may have been in there without trying. It isn't expensive either. Bob has been really helpful and supportive in the past whenever I have needed them. Get a 60ml nutrient syringe to make your mixes too (ebay). Let me know how you like it if you do get it.
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Have you used the advanced nutrients or GH?Im wondering because of comparisons between this blue line and the ladder.
 
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Coltinthehouse

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daybreaker said:
Have you used the advanced nutrients or GH?Im wondering because of comparisons between this blue line and the ladder.
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I have not used either. I've only had one complete grow using Cyco (per the grow store recommendation). Although the results were good I have nothing to compare it to. I'm looking for something simpler but still effective.
 
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Coltinthehouse

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Mad_Prophessor said:
http://www.blueplanetnutrients.com/index.php/blue-planet-nutrients-products#!/Farmers-Pride-High-Yield-System/p/5667595/category=11711370

That is the lineup I use. You could give them around 10ml/CC per gallon of the Seaweed for most of their lives except for when they are very young.
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I've been doing some research on Blue Planet nutrients and it sounds very intriguing. I saw a feeding schedule on their website. Do you follow this exactly or give more/less? Also, I have RO water. Would I need to add CalMag? Also, how often do you flush?
 
Mad_Prophessor

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I used Fox Farms, Roots, and another one I can't remember the name of (I tried it several years ago). I like Blue Planet best.
 
Mad_Prophessor

Mad_Prophessor

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Coltinthehouse said:
I've been doing some research on Blue Planet nutrients and it sounds very intriguing. I saw a feeding schedule on their website. Do you follow this exactly or give more/less? Also, I have RO water. Would I need to add CalMag? Also, how often do you flush?
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I follow it pretty close. I tend to go heavy on the Seaweed and the Liquid Blue (especially after 3 weeks of flower). I have been using Coconut water for Cal/Mag and the other goodies it has with my RO water. I never flush. Week 5 I give them Blackstrap Molasses with their straight water, and maybe one or two more feedings alternating with the BSM. Week 7.5 I give them another shot of BSM and then one final RO water. If I don't have time to harvest all of them, at this point I only give straight RO water.
 
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Coltinthehouse

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Mad_Prophessor said:
I follow it pretty close. I tend to go heavy on the Seaweed and the Liquid Blue (especially after 3 weeks of flower). I have been using Coconut water for Cal/Mag and the other goodies it has with my RO water. I never flush. Week 5 I give them Blackstrap Molasses with their straight water, and maybe one or two more feedings alternating with the BSM. Week 7.5 I give them another shot of BSM and then one final RO water. If I don't have time to harvest all of them, at this point I only give straight RO water.
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Thanks for all this information. I think I'm going with this line up per your suggestion. One last question, do you ever spray your plants? If so, with just RO water or something added to it? I've heard some people say they give them a light spray every day, a couple of days a week and some not at all. Not sure what is the most beneficial.
 
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Mad_Prophessor

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Coltinthehouse said:
Thanks for all this information. I think I'm going with this line up per your suggestion. One last question, do you ever spray your plants? If so, with just RO water or something added to it? I've heard some people say they give them a light spray every day, a couple of days a week and some not at all. Not sure what is the most beneficial.
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You will be pleased with the results. I never spray my plants. There is no need unless I have like a silly low humidity day while they are still in veg. That has happened like twice and I just sprayed RO water in the tents to give them some moisture. That is VERY rare and because it was 20% RH and they were eating their food so fast they were getting a hint a nute burn on the tips of their leaves. During flower, make sure you DON'T spray them as you can make the buds rot from too much moisture. Fell free to hit me up any time you have questions. I am happy to help. I just got another delivery from the yesterday. The bottles have pretty new labels and they gave my a new Bic lighter with their logo on it. It's the simple things in life that make me happy. A free new lighter!! Woohoo! :)
 
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Coltinthehouse

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Mad_Prophessor said:
You will be pleased with the results. I never spray my plants. There is no need unless I have like a silly low humidity day while they are still in veg. That has happened like twice and I just sprayed RO water in the tents to give them some moisture. That is VERY rare and because it was 20% RH and they were eating their food so fast they were getting a hint a nute burn on the tips of their leaves. During flower, make sure you DON'T spray them as you can make the buds rot from too much moisture. Fell free to hit me up any time you have questions. I am happy to help. I just got another delivery from the yesterday. The bottles have pretty new labels and they gave my a new Bic lighter with their logo on it. It's the simple things in life that make me happy. A free new lighter!! Woohoo! :)
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This makes sense. My humidity has been pretty good so I'm not concerned with spraying then. Do you ever use any kind of insecticide on your plants to prevent spider mites? I have heard a few horror stories. Hey, a free lighter is cool. I'm happy with anything free. Thanks again for all your insight.
 
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