Obama administration throws cold water on vote recount effort

choomer

choomer

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schuylaar said:
+rep:clap:
Really, damn..so gross. I hope he doesn't use that compost on things for human consumption:spew:
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Yeah, it goes for trees and (non-edible) landscape. I have enough yearly carbon to have 2 compost piles cooking.
If you have pets you will have to deal with waste but nature has been doing it since the dawn of time.
Best fuggin fertilizer in the world.

You want me to hermetically seal the waste in plastic and send it to landfill?

Have you had any animal care taking (I'd say husbandry, but that might be misconstrued) experience?
 
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Fogdog

Fogdog

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choomer said:
No, I do care.

But remember back when I posted this?

I especially care that the state with paper only has finished it's count and can do it again if necessary (barring "acts of god" that destroy the paper trail).

How is your "observation" pertinent to the post you quoted?
Could be about as pertinent as Stine challenging a state w/o electronic voting of vote miscounts because of "expert" observation that electronic voter fraud may have occurred in states w/ electronic voting? ;)

You claim my posts are "unoriginal, boring, obvious and unread", and yet you keep responding to them (if only to deride and berate) and admit above how you have read ones you have feigned contempt of before.

Stop reading them.
It's just a click away. :D
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I don't remember when you posted that. Why should I? You have an inflated sense of your work here. By the way, her name is Stein. And, yes, she is challenging a state w/o electronic voting. I'm looking forward to hear about the crooked acts made by Republicans. It's going to be great.

So, now that you agree Trump is not legitimate, what is the next step? Are you going to petition his removal?
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Fogdog said:
I don't remember when you posted that. Why should I? You have an inflated sense of your work here. By the way, her name is Stein. And, yes, she is challenging a state w/o electronic voting. I'm looking forward to hear about the crooked acts made by Republicans. It's going to be great.

So, now that you agree Trump is not legitimate, what is the next step? Are you going to petition his removal?
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You told everyone that there was no voter fraud... What are you going on about now?
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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choomer said:
For those that point out how Jill is not doing this for Htilery check out the support the Green party is giving her in this effort:

In a letter penned by Green Party Senate Candidate Margaret Flowers, and signed by dozens of prominent GPUS members, the Greens have rebelled against the farcical "recount effort" conducted by Jill Stein, saying "while we support electoral reforms, including how the vote is counted, we do not support the current recount being undertaken by Jill Stein."

The reason for this is that as the author notes, "as a candidate, Dr. Stein has the right to call for a recount. However, we urge the GPUS to distance itself from any appearance of support for either Democrats or Republicans. We are well aware of the undemocratic actions taken during the primaries by the DNC and the Clinton campaign. Greens cannot be perceived to be allied with such a party."

Flowers points out that the decision to pursue a recount "was not made in a democratic or a strategic way, nor did it respect the established decision making processes and structures of the Green Party of the United States (GPUS). The recount has created confusion about the relationship between the Green and Democratic parties because the states chosen for the recount are only states in which Hillary Clinton lost. There were close races in other states such as New Hampshire and Minnesota where Clinton won, but which were not part of the recount. And this recount does not address the disenfranchisement of voters; it recounts votes that were already counted rather than restoring the suffrage of voters who were prevented from voting."

In the letter Flowers also makes a case for pushing with electoral college reform and demanding transformative changes which remain impossible under the current political structure:

"The Green Party cannot build the political power necessary for the transformative changes we need by allying with two capitalist parties that serve the interests of the wealthy. That is why it is imperative that the Green Party is independent of those parties. We stay independent to give people an alternative to the corruption of two money-based parties. Greens reject donations from corporations and their political action committees to ensure we are accountable to the people and so that the people’s agenda is not superseded by the corporate agenda."

The letter slamming Stein follows a similar reaction by various prominent Democrats who have also accused Stein of engaging in a "time wasting scam."​
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"as a candidate, Dr. Stein has the right to call for a recount"

Done. End of story. Why did you copy and paste that other shit. Stein is acting according to her rights. Complain if you like, you have the right to whine like a little schoolgirl who didn't get special treatment, just like Stein has the right to a recall on her campaign's dime. Nobody expects Trump's victory to be overturned. It's all about delegitimizing and tarnishing his presidency. Just like Trump planned to do if he lost. .

Now, let's watch and see how much shit this stirs up. Turnabout, dude, turnabout. Trump was preparing to do exactly the same thing. I'm looking forward to the drizzle of news about how dirty the Republicans were during this election.
 
Fogdog

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NLXSK1 said:
You told everyone that there was no voter fraud... What are you going on about now?
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There was no voter fraud, that's a chimera. There is election fraud at the polls. Clinton's campaign is especially interested in any evidence of outside interference. But really, the election isn't going to be reversed. This is all about tarnishing and delegitimizing Trump's win. It's hilarious how you and Choomer are outraged over this. If Trump had done the same to Clinton you'd have a hard on and maybe a few accidents by now.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Fogdog said:
There was no voter fraud, that's a chimera. There is election fraud at the polls. Clinton's campaign is especially interested in any evidence of outside interference. But really, the election isn't going to be reversed. This is all about tarnishing and delegitimizing Trump's win. It's hilarious how you and Choomer are outraged over this. If Trump had done the same to Clinton you'd have a hard on and maybe a few accidents by now.
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First of all, I am hardly outraged.

What this is about is either a cash grab from constipated liberals or a high level money laundering scheme.

Nobody will be talking about it a week after the recount.

My reaction to the last 2 elections displays what a fantastic liar you are.
 
Fogdog

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NLXSK1 said:
First of all, I am hardly outraged.

What this is about is either a cash grab from constipated liberals or a high level money laundering scheme.

Nobody will be talking about it a week after the recount.

My reaction to the last 2 elections displays what a fantastic liar you are.
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The recount is just a smear campaign. Nothing unusual except this time Trump's on the receiving end of it.

It is hilarious how angry you are over this.
 
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spandy

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NLXSK1 said:
First of all, I am hardly outraged.

What this is about is either a cash grab from constipated liberals or a high level money laundering scheme.

Nobody will be talking about it a week after the recount.

My reaction to the last 2 elections displays what a fantastic liar you are.
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Jill Stein raised more for this bs than she did for her entire campaign.

Money grab with plenty of clowns willing to pony up.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Fogdog said:
The recount is just a smear campaign. Nothing unusual except this time Trump's on the receiving end of it.

It is hilarious how angry you are over this.
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It is hilarious to see how delusional you can be... At least you are entertaining to yourself.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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spandy said:
Jill Stein raised more for this bs than she did for her entire campaign.

Money grab with plenty of clowns willing to pony up.
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NLXSK1 said:
It is hilarious to see how delusional you can be... At least you are entertaining to yourself.
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The recount is Jill Stein's right to request. I don't know how else to explain it to you.

Jill Stein has the right to request the recount.

So, relax.
 
choomer

choomer

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Fogdog said:
I don't remember when you posted that. Why should I? You have an inflated sense of your work here. By the way, her name is Stein. And, yes, she is challenging a state w/o electronic voting. I'm looking forward to hear about the crooked acts made by Republicans. It's going to be great.

So, now that you agree Trump is not legitimate, what is the next step? Are you going to petition his removal?
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You can't even click the quote to see if it's an actual post?
Nevertheless, you can't reason farther than to read past the 1st 11 words and understand the quoted text?

As to spelling...what was it?
Ahhhhhhh...........
Fogdog said:
Yeah, funny, I only comprehend comprehendable answers.
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Try looking up the underlined in a dictionary that doesn't start w/ Urban.

You have no interest to me anymore (it was minimal to start with).
Into the rag drawer w/ ya.

See ya!
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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choomer said:
You can't even click the quote to see if it's an actual post?
Nevertheless, you can't reason farther than to read past the 1st 11 words and understand the quoted text?

As to spelling...what was it?
Ahhhhhhh...........

Try looking up the underlined in a dictionary that doesn't start w/ Urban.

You have no interest to me anymore (it was minimal to start with).
Into the rag drawer w/ ya.

See ya!
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ahhhaaaaahahaaaaahaaaaaaahaaaaaaahhhhhaaaa

After the many times you wished I would put you on ignore, you can't take honest and valid differences and put me there.

I consider this a victory.

See ya coward.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Fogdog said:
The recount is Jill Stein's right to request. I don't know how else to explain it to you.

Jill Stein has the right to request the recount.

So, relax.
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You do realize that if Jill Stein had pulled out of the election that Hillary might have won those states?

Irony at it's best.... The person responsible for Hillary's failure wanting a recount....

I am laughing out loud right now...
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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NLXSK1 said:
You do realize that if Jill Stein had pulled out of the election that Hillary might have won those states?

Irony at it's best.... The person responsible for Hillary's failure wanting a recount....

I am laughing out loud right now...
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Nah. The people who voted for Stein weren't going to vote for Clinton. I know that reading is hard for you but if you have done any reading from the Bernie-to-the-bitter-end cast on this site, you'd know how shit stupid your post is.
 
Fogdog

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Of course, the Republican leadership is outraged over the vote recount. It's going to put the lie to their claim of voter fraud and show just how elections in today's world are fixed. The Democratic leaning districts get the shitty machines that toss out more votes. This will all be revealed in the upcoming recount that Jill Stein rightfully petitioned for.

The No-BS Inside Guide to the Presidential Vote Recount
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/38553-the-no-bs-inside-guide-to-the-presidential-vote-recount

The Ballots in the Electoral "Dumpster"
The nasty little secret of US elections is that we don't count all the votes.

For more original Truthout election coverage, check out our election section, "Beyond the Sound Bites: Election 2016."

In Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania -- and all over America -- there were a massive number of votes that were simply rejected, invalidated and spoiled; they were simply not counted. Officially, in a typical presidential election, at least three million votes end up rejected, often for picayune, absurd reasons.

The rejects fall into three big categories: provisional ballots rejected, absentee and mail-in ballots invalidated and in-precinct votes "spoiled," spit out by a machine or thrown out by a human reader as unreadable or mismarked.

So, as Robert Fitrakis, lead lawyer for the recount, tells me, their first job is to pull the votes out of the electoral dumpster -- and, one by one, make the case for counting a rejected provisional, absentee or "spoiled" ballot.

Spoiled: Over-Votes and Under-Votes
Here's how it happens. Voters in Michigan and Wisconsin fill in bubbles next to their choice. The cards, filled up with darkened bubbles for each race, are gathered and fed through an "optical scanner." These robotic eyeballs mess up all the time.

This is what Fitrakis, an old hand at vote-machine failures (both deliberate and benign), calls "the calibration problem."

Are machines calibrated with a Republican or Democratic bias? No, that's not how it works. But just as poor areas get the worst schools and hospitals, they also get the worst voting machines.

The key is an ugly statistic not taught in third-grade civics class: According to the US Civil Rights Commission, the chance your vote will be disqualified as "spoiled" is 900 percent more likely if you're Black than if you're white.
 
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