Obama admits to mistake

misshestermoffitt · Feb 4, 2009

Obama was right to admit his mistake. Bush did suck as a president. He was all about stripping away our rights.

All politicians are liars, if they weren't they wouldn't be admitted into the club.

Plant a garden, learn to be more self suffient you'll be glad you did.

110100100 · Feb 4, 2009

Blow4Life said:
Cracker, you the man!

Bush will be remembered as a great president because all this crap isn't his fault. Its just that it all happened during his term. Who new Katrina??? What about Isabel 201? Democrats suck just because they're liberal. Liberal isn't bad but when you have conservatives claiming to be liberal??? So far Obama isn't that perfect. Look at his stimulus package. You wanna talk about useless spending? I voted for the guy because he sounds good when he talks and so did everybody else do that did it. He never has proved anything. U.S. citizens better get ready because Obama will either fix it or &*(%. If you look at the financial system, as far as T-Bonds, it doesn't look very good. Could you imagine if the rates fell China would short the market and thats the biggest holder of the U.S. Bond
Talk about a recession, try great great great depression Ain't shit Obama or Bush or any president besides Lincoln since the financial system has been in place, could do anything about that

Obama simply is what he said he is, HOPE! Without that, what would the world be

Hope I didn't type this for nothing? Lol!

Man are you serious?

There are plenty of things we can blame on Bush and his inept administration but the real measure of a leader's greatness is not what was or was not "his fault" but how he handles those situations and clearly Bush was one of the worst.

Was the Cuban missile crisis JFK's fault? No. So by your logic it should have no bearing on history's determination of JFK's presidency right? Yet it's one of his presidency's defining moments. Why? Because of HOW HE HANDLED IT.

Was slavery Lincoln's fault? But ask any American, hell any person on the planet to tell you why Lincoln is considered one of our greatest presidents and I bet emancipation proclamation or "he freed the slaves" is the answer you will hear 9 times out of 10. It's how he handled the situation that was thrown in his lap so to speak that makes the difference. I bet you don't even know that Lincoln was a very outspoken racist. That he believed in the superiority of the white race and believed in separation of the races. That he, in so many words, said that if black people were not here in the first place we wouldn't be having a civil way and yet he did what he knew to be right and stood up for freedom.

Was 9/11 Bush's fault? No way, I firmly put the blame for 9/11 on the Clinton administration. It was planned during his time in office, the people who carried out the attacks came here during his time in office and twice Clinton himself allowed Bin Laden to live by either refusing to authorize a missile attack or by taking too long to authorize the attack. He let Bin laden slip through his fingers.

But let's look at how Bush handled that situation. Did he bring Bin laden to justice? Not even close. Instead he started a war in Iraq. For what? What have we gained from this $600 billion dollar and counting war? Is the world a safer place because he ousted and killed Sadam Hussein at the cost of $600 billion to the U.S. taxpayer? Hardly.

How about the balanced budget and surplus he inherited? That was not his fault either. The budget surplus was $230 billion in 2000 and was projected to increase to $1 trillion over the next 10 years. The Bush administration itself in 2002 projected a budget surplus from 2001 through 2004 of almost $1.3 trillion dollars and then in 2005 adjusted it to a budget deficit of $850 billion. That is a swing of over $2 trillion dollars. "Oops, sorry we must have added wrong."

Bush took one of the best economies in our HISTORY and through things like deregulation of whole industries turned it in to the mess that it is today.

And how about the issue of medical marijuana? Was not Bush's fault states passed laws allowing for the use of marijuana as a medicine by the sick and dying. GOD KNOWS it was not his fault. How did he handle it? By waging war against his own citizens.

I can go on and on if you'd like.

The thing that really kills me is you defend Bush by saying things were not his fault and then point to Katrina like that was even close to being one of the most important issues Bush had to deal with. Then in the next breath you claim "So far Obama isn't that perfect" when the guy has only been in office for TWO WEEKS AND he inherited every problem he's had to deal with so far. None of them are his fault and yet you'd try and justify both sides of your argument by applying a double standard.

Bush WILL be remembered but it WILL be as one of THE worst presidents in U.S. history.
Please explain to us what it is exactly that Bush did in his 8 years that will "put him in the top".

medicineman · Feb 4, 2009

Bush WILL be remembered but it WILL be as one of THE worst presidents in U.S. history.
Please explain to us what it is exactly that Bush did in his 8 years that will "put him in the top".

Uhhh, let's see, he got rid of Sadam, of course that cost 4500++US lives, 30,000++ life changing US injuries (War wounds), and over 100,000 and up to a millionIraqi lives, and Oh yeah, close to 3 trillion buckaroos.
Not only that but he's poisoned the landscape of Iraq with DU munitions that will cause cancer among the population for thousands of years. Yeah, getting rid of Sadam was a wonderful thing alright.

NewGrowth · Feb 4, 2009

bradlyallen2 said:
Man oh man! Do you people get tired of telling yourself lies? I live in Virginia and your response reminds me of the local contingent of rednecks who continue to assert that the south was correct in wanting the civil war but the North "re-wrote" the history books after winning...hahahahhaha what bullshit. I have no sympathy for Bush supporters, his brand of "leadership" has near completely broken and destroyed this country.

They don't have to tell themselves lies, ignorance works better for them. It is pretty hard with Bush though. I mean to not realize he was one of the worst presidents in history you would have to be deaf, blind, dumb, and locked in a dark concrete room for the past eight years. So that's where Jax lives . . .

Spitzered · Feb 4, 2009

Obama admitting to mistakes, he better get used to it. He will get lots of practice.

TheBrutalTruth · Feb 4, 2009

NewGrowth said:
They don't have to tell themselves lies, ignorance works better for them. It is pretty hard with Bush though. I mean to not realize he was one of the worst presidents in history you would have to be deaf, blind, dumb, and locked in a dark concrete room for the past eight years. So that's where Jax lives . . .

This coming from some one who probably thinks that Woodrow Wilson was a great president, that FDR was a great president, and that Democrats haven't had a habit of routinely dragging us into wars.

WWI
WWII
Korea
Vietnam

Though I'm surprised that you socialist incompetents are still rah-rahing for Lincoln. He was a Republican, and he didn't want the division between North and South to result in war.

He had no interest in actually freeing the slaves, nor in punishing the south.

He also had a pair of balls that made Obama's look like sub-atomic particles, and decent advisors.

Advisors that actually told him that the best way to finance the war was printing money instead of letting the banks do it.

Of course, the reason why he had to resort to printing money (which were called "Greenbacks") was because the bankers refused to lend him money to prosecute the war against the South.

Not that I should be surprised, you all are wearing blinders that lets in nothing but shadows and darkness. Hard to see reality when all you get is a small slit to see through.

Obama is a joke, and you've all been horribly suckered, of course, McCain was also a joke.

So perhaps we should all be grateful that the Republican's have yet to get a Socialist elected as President, unlike the Democrats, who have a near perfect track record of nominating Socialists over the last 3 decades

Mondale - Socialist
Clinton - Socialist
Gore - Socialist
Kerry - Socialist
Obama - Socialist

5 out of 5

Of course, only 3 of those 5 got elected.

And the latest one only got elected because he was a skilled liar, and the consummate Machiavellian Politician.

bradlyallen2 · Feb 5, 2009

The more I read this forum the more I realize that what I like most about Obama is increasing fervor with which republicans don't like him. It's been 8 years coming b-otches!

Landragon · Feb 5, 2009

What's to like? The hollow arguments and parrotted piffle liberals spew is so predictable. Attempting to prove an argument against a conservative by quoting the most left leanng publcations is intellectually irresponsible. Obama's actions thus far have almost uniformly broken his pledges and promises he made to get ellected. Bush did fudge quite a bit of golden oppotunties, I'll concur. He also made tough choices that some of you are too wussy to had sen considered. When was the US last attacked on it's soil? Isn't the constitutinal responsibilty of the Federal government to protect it's constituents from foreign attack? Job well done. Read the constitution. Twice. If your comprehension skills are equal to your anti Bush fervor, you may realize you are "hoping" for "change" that is absolutely at fault with our founding principles.

Landragon · Feb 5, 2009

110100100 said:
Man are you serious?

There are plenty of things we can blame on Bush and his inept administration but the real measure of a leader's greatness is not what was or was not "his fault" but how he handles those situations and clearly Bush was one of the worst.

Was the Cuban missile crisis JFK's fault? No. So by your logic it should have no bearing on history's determination of JFK's presidency right? Yet it's one of his presidency's defining moments. Why? Because of HOW HE HANDLED IT.

Was slavery Lincoln's fault? But ask any American, hell any person on the planet to tell you why Lincoln is considered one of our greatest presidents and I bet emancipation proclamation or "he freed the slaves" is the answer you will hear 9 times out of 10. It's how he handled the situation that was thrown in his lap so to speak that makes the difference. I bet you don't even know that Lincoln was a very outspoken racist. That he believed in the superiority of the white race and believed in separation of the races. That he, in so many words, said that if black people were not here in the first place we wouldn't be having a civil way and yet he did what he knew to be right and stood up for freedom.

Was 9/11 Bush's fault? No way, I firmly put the blame for 9/11 on the Clinton administration. It was planned during his time in office, the people who carried out the attacks came here during his time in office and twice Clinton himself allowed Bin Laden to live by either refusing to authorize a missile attack or by taking too long to authorize the attack. He let Bin laden slip through his fingers.

But let's look at how Bush handled that situation. Did he bring Bin laden to justice? Not even close. Instead he started a war in Iraq. For what? What have we gained from this $600 billion dollar and counting war? Is the world a safer place because he ousted and killed Sadam Hussein at the cost of $600 billion to the U.S. taxpayer? Hardly.

How about the balanced budget and surplus he inherited? That was not his fault either. The budget surplus was $230 billion in 2000 and was projected to increase to $1 trillion over the next 10 years. The Bush administration itself in 2002 projected a budget surplus from 2001 through 2004 of almost $1.3 trillion dollars and then in 2005 adjusted it to a budget deficit of $850 billion. That is a swing of over $2 trillion dollars. "Oops, sorry we must have added wrong."

Bush took one of the best economies in our HISTORY and through things like deregulation of whole industries turned it in to the mess that it is today.

And how about the issue of medical marijuana? Was not Bush's fault states passed laws allowing for the use of marijuana as a medicine by the sick and dying. GOD KNOWS it was not his fault. How did he handle it? By waging war against his own citizens.

I can go on and on if you'd like.

The thing that really kills me is you defend Bush by saying things were not his fault and then point to Katrina like that was even close to being one of the most important issues Bush had to deal with. Then in the next breath you claim "So far Obama isn't that perfect" when the guy has only been in office for TWO WEEKS AND he inherited every problem he's had to deal with so far. None of them are his fault and yet you'd try and justify both sides of your argument by applying a double standard.

Bush WILL be remembered but it WILL be as one of THE worst presidents in U.S. history.
Please explain to us what it is exactly that Bush did in his 8 years that will "put him in the top".

Is this awesome economy and budget surplus you speak of the same one that was built on fraud and false reporting? Fraud and false reporting that was both made possible and advanced by liberal lawmakers. The reality you fail to mention is that it was Pelosi and Reed who made this economic mess.

CrackerJax · Feb 5, 2009

Guys, i'm really tired today so i'll post something a little deeper later today. had a hard freeze here last night so i was up the whole time.

But real quick...Landragon.... I read ur first post and it was nicely done. The second one made my eyes blurry so ill read it ltr :lol:

same with 101010003.1417 one quickie I did spot near the top... was JFK responsible for Cuban missile crisis??..... omg!!.........

YES!!

Don't worry, I'll take my nappie and brain wrestle you to the mat later today... :mrgreen:

from what I saw.....piece O cake.
out. :blsmoke:

max420thc · Feb 5, 2009

bradlyallen2 said:
Man oh man! Do you people get tired of telling yourself lies? I live in Virginia and your response reminds me of the local contingent of rednecks who continue to assert that the south was correct in wanting the civil war but the North "re-wrote" the history books after winning...hahahahhaha what bullshit. I have no sympathy for Bush supporters, his brand of "leadership" has near completely broken and destroyed this country.

if you remember your history lessons the north invaded the south .get a hair cut go back to school and get a job

110100100 · Feb 5, 2009

TheBrutalTruth said:
This coming from some one who probably thinks that Woodrow Wilson was a great president, that FDR was a great president, and that Democrats haven't had a habit of routinely dragging us into wars.

WWI
WWII
Korea
Vietnam

Though I'm surprised that you socialist incompetents are still rah-rahing for Lincoln. He was a Republican, and he didn't want the division between North and South to result in war.

He had no interest in actually freeing the slaves, nor in punishing the south.

He also had a pair of balls that made Obama's look like sub-atomic particles, and decent advisors.

Advisors that actually told him that the best way to finance the war was printing money instead of letting the banks do it.

Of course, the reason why he had to resort to printing money (which were called "Greenbacks") was because the bankers refused to lend him money to prosecute the war against the South.

Not that I should be surprised, you all are wearing blinders that lets in nothing but shadows and darkness. Hard to see reality when all you get is a small slit to see through.

Obama is a joke, and you've all been horribly suckered, of course, McCain was also a joke.

So perhaps we should all be grateful that the Republican's have yet to get a Socialist elected as President, unlike the Democrats, who have a near perfect track record of nominating Socialists over the last 3 decades

Mondale - Socialist
Clinton - Socialist
Gore - Socialist
Kerry - Socialist
Obama - Socialist

5 out of 5

Of course, only 3 of those 5 got elected.

And the latest one only got elected because he was a skilled liar, and the consummate Machiavellian Politician.

Reread my post dude, I'm not here to stand up for Obama he's been in office for 2 weeks. Someone said history will remember Bush as a great president and that's a joke. Better still "because all this shit isn't his fault".

Now...if you could read you'd know I was not "rah-rahing Lincoln" I was showing an example of what history believes is a great president and why that is.

It truly amazes me that stoners fall into this same left/right name calling bullshit that "passes" for political debate way too often. I'd tell you the same thing I'd tell Obama when I hear him talking about having to "spend political capital" to get anything done. How about you all get your heads out of your political party asses and fix shit. Seriously man get off the labels and name calling then maybe you can debate in an intelligent manner.

BTW you're wrong about Lincoln. While he WAS a racist he was also against slavery.

"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." Abraham Lincoln

Landragon said:
What's to like? The hollow arguments and parrotted piffle liberals spew is so predictable. Attempting to prove an argument against a conservative by quoting the most left leanng publcations is intellectually irresponsible. Obama's actions thus far have almost uniformly broken his pledges and promises he made to get ellected. Bush did fudge quite a bit of golden oppotunties, I'll concur. He also made tough choices that some of you are too wussy to had sen considered. When was the US last attacked on it's soil? Isn't the constitutinal responsibilty of the Federal government to protect it's constituents from foreign attack? Job well done. Read the constitution. Twice. If your comprehension skills are equal to your anti Bush fervor, you may realize you are "hoping" for "change" that is absolutely at fault with our founding principles.

You still offer up nothing to support your argument. What tough choices did he make? Educate me.

Last time we were attacked at home was 9/11 and did Bush get the person responsible? No. 7+ years to get Bin Laden and nothing. Better still we gave the guy a full 30 day warning that we were going to come after him in Afghanistan. You're kidding yourself if you think for one instance that we are safer in the U.S. now than we were on 9/11. In a recent USA today article on an FBI report of gang violence an official called the border a "revolving door" because he said as fast as they deport them more come in to fill their spots. I realize that securing our borders is as doable as winning the "war on drugs" but somehow I don't see banning plastic knives in airports as being the answer either.

All Bush had to do in that last 7 years was get Bin Laden and I'm willing to bet most Americans, myself included, would have given him a pass for just about everything else.

Landragon said:
Is this awesome economy and budget surplus you speak of the same one that was built on fraud and false reporting? Fraud and false reporting that was both made possible and advanced by liberal lawmakers. The reality you fail to mention is that it was Pelosi and Reed who made this economic mess.

Well both the Clinton AND Bush administrations claimed there would be a surplus through the Bush years. You'd know that if you read my post. So what's your point? And if these were lies then how do you explain where the money we used to pay down the national debt while Clinton was in office came from?

As far as the economy...you are not about to seriously argue that it was even CLOSE to as bad as it is now during the Clinton years are you? If so please just go back to smoking the crack pipe and don't waste my time.

Gee somehow I missed that Bush vetoed deregulation.

Don't think I'm some kind of Clinton lover, far from it. I think the guy was a dick, but then that's where you and I differ it seems. I don't give a shit about sides, parties none of that crap. I'm an American, I care about what's best for our country.

For the record I've always considered myself a Republican. Mainly because I've always had a tough time believing that the Dems could push "the button" if it ever came down to that.

CrackerJax said:
Guys, i'm really tired today so i'll post something a little deeper later today. had a hard freeze here last night so i was up the whole time.

But real quick...Landragon.... I read ur first post and it was nicely done. The second one made my eyes blurry so ill read it ltr

same with 101010003.1417 one quickie I did spot near the top... was JFK responsible for Cuban missile crisis??..... omg!!.........

YES!!

Don't worry, I'll take my nappie and brain wrestle you to the mat later today... from what I saw.....piece O cake.
out.

Right JFk put the missiles in Cuba, I must have missed that...you're STILL missing the point of my post. Who's fault it was is not what makes it a defining moment it's how it was handled that does.

Landragon · Feb 5, 2009

Just because the economy "felt" good in the Clinton era, doesn't mean it was built on strength and truth. A false economy was allowed to fester under at least three administrations. Probably all of them. I think Bush did about 2% of what he could've/should've done to fix the nations economic slide. But let's get real. The entire world is on the brink or in the pit of bankruptcy. This is not only America's problem. I think we are all screwed due to the global banking system myself and don't typically stand on a red/blue side of the debate. The only reason two parties have held power so long is because it's easier to manipulate two factions against each other and maintain strife between them. Pure partisanship is a huge factor. I consider myself a constitutional libertarian. Not a crack smoker.

110100100 · Feb 5, 2009

Then I have no idea how to possibly measure ANY economy by your standards or even how to address your "felt" comment. I mean you know as well as I do that our economy had not been build on anything solid for many many moons. The dot com crash was another house of cards that came tumbling down but our economy was strong enough to withstand it then.

Regardless of how it "felt" or what it was built on you have no argument that it was not better than it is now and it was the deregulation of our financial institutions and greed that brought this on.

I know I'll probably get shot for this one but I think Ford did more in 2 years than most presidents do in 4.

medicineman · Feb 5, 2009

110100100 said:
I know I'll probably get shot for this one but I think Ford did more in 2 years than most presidents do in 4.

I'd really like an explanation for this. Ford pardoned Nixon. Is that the greatness of which you speak? Personally, that act in itself was enough to discredit anything else Ford did for greatness.

110100100 · Feb 5, 2009

I know, I know...it's the one thing I hold against him. I can STILL remember when I heard the news of the pardon.

I don't think Ford was a great president I just think he did more in 2 years like I said. I would have liked to seen a full 4 years from him though. Might have been interesting.

Bongulator · Feb 6, 2009

I've found plenty to like with Obama:

1) Speaks his native tongue very well.
2) Reversed Bush's pro-torture policy.
3) Started the process of withdrawing from Iraq.
4) Reversed Bush's pro-oil exploitation of our most cherished lands.
5) Cutting taxes for the poor and middle class.
6) Man enough to admit mistakes.
7) Smart enough not to make his VP his boss.

Moving us toward clean alternative energy.
9) Empathy for the poor/unemployed/suffering/children.
10) Got 4 million more children health care.
11) Passed some pro-equality laws for women.

Not bad for 2.5 week's worth of work, for a guy ridiculed as inexperienced. Obama has probably done more positive stuff in a mere 2.5 weeks than Bush did in eight years. And Obama hasn't even hit his stride yet!

misshestermoffitt · Feb 6, 2009

He really has tackled these issues like a champ, but he's got a long way to go. He needs to come through on the DEA leaving meds states alone. They are raiding the hell out of CA, getting their last jabs in I suppose.

I also think we are safer here in the US than we were before 9/11, but that has nothing to do with government. It has to do with the citizens. We are a lot more likely to shoot first and ask questions later. I feel that the next dude who tries to hijack a plane is getting the beat down of all beat downs too.

110100100 · Feb 6, 2009

Yeah, I think I'll have a shirt made for the next time I fly saying "Try hijacking THIS plane motherfucker"

I'm just pissed at this point about the DEA raids. NORML reported that today, in a front page article in The Washington Times White House spokesperson Nick Shapiro said, “The president believes that federal resources should not be used to circumvent state laws, and as he continues to appoint senior leadership to fill out the ranks of the federal government, he expects them to review their policies with that in mind.”

Umm ok, so what's the problem? Tell them to stop the damn raids already. WFT? The anti-pot people are always asking "what kind of message does this send to our children" when talking about pot law reform. Well what kind of message is paying the issue lip service and not doing anything about it sending? Hello...you ARE the President of the U S of A, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT TOUGH GUY!

I was willing to say Ok, he's only been in office for a little while when the first few raids happened but they have now made SEVEN raids since he took the oath. Now I'm pissed.

TheBrutalTruth · Feb 6, 2009

Bongulator said:
I've found plenty to like with Obama:

1) Speaks his native tongue very well.
Good for him, he can speak English
2) Reversed Bush's pro-torture policy.
Waterboarding is not torture
3) Started the process of withdrawing from Iraq.
Maybe he can start the process of withdrawing from Europe too, now that would be F*ing amazing.
4) Reversed Bush's pro-oil exploitation of our most cherished lands.
I guess you were one of those that enjoyed $4/gallon gass
5) Cutting taxes for the poor and middle class.
Not by enough
6) Man enough to admit mistakes.
If the media would let him (Geithner comes to mind, "too big to fail")
7) Smart enough not to make his VP his boss.
Do you have proof? Actually, no proof is necessary, Biden is an idiot, so that's not really a surprise. He's (Biden) not capable of exercising sufficient intelligence to be any one's boss, but that's a known side effect of spending your entire life in politics.
Moving us toward clean alternative energy.
Wrong alternative energy. When I think CLEAN ALTERNATIVE ENERGY, I think that it needs to fulfill three things
1. Be Economical (Cheaper than Oil)
2. With out being subsidized (Unlike Corn-Derived Ethanol)
3. Not require massive amounts of land (which is a hell of a lot more important than being non-polluting.
About the only energy source that fits the definition of good power sources are:
1. Fusion (Holy Grail of Power Generation, CHEAP, PLENTIFUL, NON-RADIOACTIVE)
2. Tidal Power (Not so cheap, plentiful, non-radioactive)
3. Nuclear (Cheap, Plentiful, Radioactive - the government could easily spend billions on it instead of this next item.)
9) Empathy for the poor/unemployed/suffering/children.
Are you sure you aren't confusing pity and sympathy with empathy? I really doubt that he knows what it's like to be poor, unemployed or suffering.

And regardless of whatever idiotic warped world that you live in the following is not an example of empathy.
10) Got 4 million more children health care.
Colossal waste of money, why are we rewarding bad decisions? IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE KIDS, YOU SHOULDN'T BE HAVING KIDS!
11) Passed some pro-equality laws for women.
More bureaucratic red tape, simpler would be to strip everything out, and stop trying to subdivided crimes into different categories (hate crime, non-hate crime). A crime is a crime, murderers should be murdered, rapists (well, I'm sure everyone was expected raped, but I'm going to say murdered), thieves should face corporal punishment (saves money, hell of a lot cheaper to take something like a cat o' nine to a person's back than to incarcerate them.)

Not bad for 2.5 week's worth of work, for a guy ridiculed as inexperienced. Obama has probably done more positive stuff in a mere 2.5 weeks than Bush did in eight years. And Obama hasn't even hit his stride yet!

God help us if he does hit his stride, he has shown that he is an extremist, biased in his world views, and has let his distorted world view shape his thoughts.

Though thinking about this, I'm willing to bet that you are an idiot with 4 or more kids that you can't support, that has some cushy government position, and thus doesn't actually have to know what work is.

Either that or your an educator (same principle, but in your profession, pedophilia is referred to as a "perk" of the job.)

Or you are a liberal moron that doesn't understand what freedom is.

Or maybe your some damn European or Canadian that thinks everyone should be under the kind of Nanny-State that you are under.

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