Obama Asks Congress to Authorize Military Action Against Islamic State

Rrog

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NLXSK1 said:
You do understand the lower oil prices are the result of fracking and new sources in the USA right?

So we went over there and fought a series of wars so we would have access to a commodity that is traded globally on the open market???
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Fracking is simply a component of the big chicken game going on. It's thrown out there as way too big a global factor. This same scenario has played out countless times over history. This episode is deeper and therefore more memorable. The shit hit the fan decades ago similarly. No fracking back then.

Fracking certainly complicated this current standoff, but it did not singularly precipitate it as you have constantly, off-handedly asserted.
 
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Doer

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Right, what we do in the Mideast is about Sunni Jihad, and the situation was made much worse when they found oil there.

But, oil did not spread Sunni. That was spread by violence.
 
ginwilly

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Rrog said:
If oil continues to flow, we will always be there. Jihadis or not

If the oil dries up, we will leave quickly. Jihadis or not.
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If either it dries up or the dollar is replaced as the reserve currency, our strategy changes drastically.
 
Rrog

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I have a lot more in common with you than I previously estimated. I'm inclined to apologize, brother
 
ginwilly

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Rrog said:
I have a lot more in common with you than I previously estimated. I'm inclined to apologize, brother
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It's politics though, I realized my opinions are not always popular for either team. The only thing I take personal here is when someone comes after my private life, everything else is just business as usual.

Appreciate the comment.
 
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NoDrama

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Doer said:
That's BS, you are saying the Tyranny of one leader is more clean and pretty than the tyranny of Jihad.
We painted the same picture in Baghdad. And they know we will paint this on Cairo, by withdrawing support of the Army.

We do this on purpose, don't you see?
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Oh Doer, Libya was not under attack except by US interests. Its like a false flag wrapped in a civil war type of thing. We have done this same thing over and over and over. There are no Jihaddists, only US imperialism pulling the strings of Islamic puppetry.

Ghadaffi was about to make the Dollar a worthless currency, we had to take him down and then take all of his gold. It had nothing to do with the Gaddafi boogeyman we cultured and grew over the previous decades. Ghadaffi took a shit hole country and turned it into a modern cultured center. I don't agree with all of his policies, but he did some great things for Libya, which we destroyed. We didn't help one single citizen of that country. We let the barbarians storm the gates that we left unlocked, on purpose.

We have done this so many times, you would think you had caught on by now.
We install our puppets and then take all the gold and control all the energy resources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_gold_dinar
https://www.corbettreport.com/libya-war-what-they-dont-want-you-to-know/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/libya-ten-things-about-gaddafi-they-dont-want-you-to-know/5414289


Stop being fooled Doer, Islam is not your enemy. The fringe element is the creation of the US

Funny how as soon as Libya was "Rescued" the gold was stolen and a BIS controlled central bank was installed isn't it?

You can almost tell what war will happen next by finding out which countries do not have a BIS Central bank.
In the year 2000 there were seven countries without a Central Bank. They were
Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, Cuba, North Korea and Iran. All of a sudden 9/11 hits and then Afghanistan and Iraq are on the War path.

The only countries left in 2003 without a Central Bank were:
Sudan, Libya, Cuba, North Korea, Iran. Poor poor Libya, Poor Sudan, War path.

The only countries left in 2011 without a Central Bank are:
Cuba, North Korea, Iran

You haven't heard any "bad" news about any of these countries have you? They haven't been demonized all your life have they?
Strange, we hear how bad Iran is, yet it hasn't attacked anyone for hundreds of years. EVIL!!!
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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NoDrama said:
Oh Doer, Libya was not under attack except by US interests. Its like a false flag wrapped in a civil war type of thing. We have done this same thing over and over and over. There are no Jihaddists, only US imperialism pulling the strings of Islamic puppetry.

Ghadaffi was about to make the Dollar a worthless currency, we had to take him down and then take all of his gold. It had nothing to do with the Gaddafi boogeyman we cultured and grew over the previous decades. Ghadaffi took a shit hole country and turned it into a modern cultured center. I don't agree with all of his policies, but he did some great things for Libya, which we destroyed. We didn't help one single citizen of that country. We let the barbarians storm the gates that we left unlocked, on purpose.

We have done this so many times, you would think you had caught on by now.
We install our puppets and then take all the gold and control all the energy resources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_gold_dinar
https://www.corbettreport.com/libya-war-what-they-dont-want-you-to-know/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/libya-ten-things-about-gaddafi-they-dont-want-you-to-know/5414289


Stop being fooled Doer, Islam is not your enemy. The fringe element is the creation of the US

Funny how as soon as Libya was "Rescued" the gold was stolen and a BIS controlled central bank was installed isn't it?

You can almost tell what war will happen next by finding out which countries do not have a BIS Central bank.
In the year 2000 there were seven countries without a Central Bank. They were
Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, Cuba, North Korea and Iran. All of a sudden 9/11 hits and then Afghanistan and Iraq are on the War path.

The only countries left in 2003 without a Central Bank were:
Sudan, Libya, Cuba, North Korea, Iran. Poor poor Libya, Poor Sudan, War path.

The only countries left in 2011 without a Central Bank are:
Cuba, North Korea, Iran

You haven't heard any "bad" news about any of these countries have you? They haven't been demonized all your life have they?
Strange, we hear how bad Iran is, yet it hasn't attacked anyone for hundreds of years. EVIL!!!
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Good post but there really are people doing bad shit in the name of their God. We may use this bad shit to our advantage, but Jihad is played out in suicide bombing and beheadings coming soon to a youtube channel near you on the reg.
 
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NoDrama

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ginwilly said:
Good post but there really are people doing bad shit in the name of their God. We may use this bad shit to our advantage, but Jihad is played out in suicide bombing and beheadings coming soon to a youtube channel near you on the reg.
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No doubt there are some, but its not the problem we should be concerned about. Islamic Jihad hurts more Muslims than Americans by far.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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NoDrama said:
No doubt there are some, but its not the problem we should be concerned about. Islamic Jihad hurts more Muslims than Americans by far.
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Concerned in a humanitarian sense. I'm not advocating blowing them up though, I'm also concerned with what is being ignored on the African continent, but don't want to bomb them either.

I'm with you, just nitpicking is all.
 
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NoDrama

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ginwilly said:
Concerned in a humanitarian sense. I'm not advocating blowing them up though, I'm also concerned with what is being ignored on the African continent, but don't want to bomb them either.

I'm with you, just nitpicking is all.
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Im not arguing with you at all, we have a difference in opinion about how far the US should go to "helping" other countries.

The USA is usually the instigator in these scenarios though. ISIS is funded and commanded ultimately by US interests, same as Al Queda

The number of terrorists attacks is a mere shadow of what it was 40 years ago.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/apr/17/four-decades-us-terror-attacks-listed-since-1970
http://www.start.umd.edu/

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ginwilly

ginwilly

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NoDrama said:
Im not arguing with you at all, we have a difference in opinion about how far the US should go to "helping" other countries.

The USA is usually the instigator in these scenarios though. ISIS is funded and commanded ultimately by US interests, same as Al Queda

The number of terrorists attacks is a mere shadow of what it was 40 years ago.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/apr/17/four-decades-us-terror-attacks-listed-since-1970
http://www.start.umd.edu/

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Is that because of us or in spite of us?

Crime is down worldwide, I'd like to think humanity is evolving and improving.

It's a chicken or egg argument really. Because of our meddling, we now have to meddle or we receive the full brunt of retaliation for our meddling.

I do believe that a religion that wants to eradicate other religions will be followed with or without our involvement, so I concede that point.
 
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NoDrama

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WAR is always about taking resources and resetting chess pieces for a better strategy. We say we are going to bomb the bad people to liberate the poor and oppressed, but what usually happens is that we destroy all their infrastructure, install our puppets and leave the people much worse off than before.
 
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NoDrama

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ginwilly said:
Is that because of us or in spite of us?

Crime is down worldwide, I'd like to think humanity is evolving and improving.

It's a chicken or egg argument really. Because of our meddling, we now have to meddle or we receive the full brunt of retaliation for our meddling.

I do believe that a religion that wants to eradicate other religions will be followed with or without our involvement, so I concede that point.
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Islam does not want to eradicate other religions. I have spent some time in the middle east amongst a 95% Islamic population. I was never ill treated or made to feel ashamed for my different beliefs. It is extremely easy to tell who isn't a Muslim, 5 times a day they check who is what. The worst thing that ever happened was an old man purposely crossed his legs to show me the sole of his sandal, which in the Islamic world is the same as extending your social finger to someone in the US. In fact I was treated rather well.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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ginwilly said:
It's politics though, I realized my opinions are not always popular for either team. The only thing I take personal here is when someone comes after my private life, everything else is just business as usual.

Appreciate the comment.
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The problem is this section is chock full of people who want your money to spend on their problems... And they get pissed when you object to it.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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NLXSK1 said:
The problem is this section is chock full of people who want your money to spend on their problems... And they get pissed when you object to it.
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I do see the mentality that all your base are belong to us.

Using a tax deduction has become theft in their minds, that's a really odd mentality I haven't been able to understand yet.
 
Doer

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NoDrama said:
Oh Doer, Libya was not under attack except by US interests. Its like a false flag wrapped in a civil war type of thing. We have done this same thing over and over and over. There are no Jihaddists, only US imperialism pulling the strings of Islamic puppetry.

Ghadaffi was about to make the Dollar a worthless currency, we had to take him down and then take all of his gold. It had nothing to do with the Gaddafi boogeyman we cultured and grew over the previous decades. Ghadaffi took a shit hole country and turned it into a modern cultured center. I don't agree with all of his policies, but he did some great things for Libya, which we destroyed. We didn't help one single citizen of that country. We let the barbarians storm the gates that we left unlocked, on purpose.

We have done this so many times, you would think you had caught on by now.
We install our puppets and then take all the gold and control all the energy resources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_gold_dinar
https://www.corbettreport.com/libya-war-what-they-dont-want-you-to-know/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/libya-ten-things-about-gaddafi-they-dont-want-you-to-know/5414289


Stop being fooled Doer, Islam is not your enemy. The fringe element is the creation of the US

Funny how as soon as Libya was "Rescued" the gold was stolen and a BIS controlled central bank was installed isn't it?

You can almost tell what war will happen next by finding out which countries do not have a BIS Central bank.
In the year 2000 there were seven countries without a Central Bank. They were
Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, Cuba, North Korea and Iran. All of a sudden 9/11 hits and then Afghanistan and Iraq are on the War path.

The only countries left in 2003 without a Central Bank were:
Sudan, Libya, Cuba, North Korea, Iran. Poor poor Libya, Poor Sudan, War path.

The only countries left in 2011 without a Central Bank are:
Cuba, North Korea, Iran

You haven't heard any "bad" news about any of these countries have you? They haven't been demonized all your life have they?
Strange, we hear how bad Iran is, yet it hasn't attacked anyone for hundreds of years. EVIL!!!
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Jeeze. Let me put it to you simply so we can simply agree. We are messing with the Calaphate lands, so it can never be started.

And to say Iran has not attacked USA interests, directly, is not correct.
To say Libya did not attack our interests directly, is not correct.
To say, that Sadaam did not attack our interests as Bathist, ditto for Syria is not correct.

My point is you say it was better under Khadhaffi, but you forget why we messed them up. He said he was about to put Benghazi to the sword. We believed him, so we fucked him up.

That's what we do, it is why the world hates us and I am quite proud of it.

We are in Self Rule and natural survival instincts are running these intentions. We pretend we don't just mess with Med Africa and slosh Jihad back and froth, to keep it to a dull roar, but we do.

To say that Egypt has never attack our interests is correct. So when the Brotherhood took over we sent Hillary over, end of story. The Brotherhood are hunted like dogs. I am quite proud of that.
 
Doer

Doer

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ginwilly said:
Is that because of us or in spite of us?

Crime is down worldwide, I'd like to think humanity is evolving and improving.

It's a chicken or egg argument really. Because of our meddling, we now have to meddle or we receive the full brunt of retaliation for our meddling.

I do believe that a religion that wants to eradicate other religions will be followed with or without our involvement, so I concede that point.
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We are moving through levels of consciousness, as the mind grows. Each individual and humanity as a whole, as a result have access to better information.

The information age means the battle field cannot be censored. But, it means we can be lied to, but it means we are more sophisticated against being lied to.

There is hope, that we can pass through the violent stage as Humanity. But, all or nothing. And this makes the violent ideology types very violent.
 
Doer

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Rrog said:
If oil continues to flow, we will always be there. Jihadis or not

If the oil dries up, we will leave quickly. Jihadis or not.
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No. We protect the Med and Europe from Jihad. This was before oil and that will be after oil.
It is about the Islamic tax on trade, not oil. Oil simply dealt Jihad the Royal Flush. The Luck of the Draw. Seriously, we had Jihad, pennyless, until Gestapo ripped it open to fund it, and then Shell found oil on the Saudi peninsula. We said, "How about paying off the Wasab?" "how about deposing the Shah of Iran?" We deal with this devil over the threat of Trade.

Now if somehow Jihad dries up. then, I'm with you, get the hell out of there. But the simple reason is Europe cannot control their own pond.
 
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