Obama refuses to apologize

Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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Mistakes were made on both sides. Japan acknowledges that the reason the second bomb was dropped was because the Emperor and his Generals and Admirals refused to yield after the first one. Our issue was, our scientists knew the potential for devastation and fallout and still used the bomb anyway. We would have had to annihilate them by manpower, causing more casualties on both sides. It was kind of a catch-22. Most Japanese people don't want an apology, anyway.
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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I guess at the very least, we should apologize for the fallout and consequences of dropping a bomb whats effects will ripple through time for centuries. But it wasn't completely unnecessary.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Olive Drab Green said:
I guess at the very least, we should apologize for the fallout and consequences of dropping a bomb whats effects will ripple through time for centuries. But it wasn't completely unnecessary.
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Does Japan regularly apologize to us for a sneak attack that killed over 3000 people and the deaths of millions upon millions in it's war of aggression?

If we take the bombings out of context then we miss the point that Japanese as well as American lives were saved by forcing the Japanese government to surrender.

I think the time to apologize has passed. The time to remember and make sure it doesnt happen again is forever.
 
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ThickStemz

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fdd2blk said:
Just seems wrong to me to nuke a bunch of innocent civilians. The fact that it has never been done again kind of supports my opinion. Though it is just my opinion.
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There has never been a struggle since then that called for their use.

If and when the stakes are that high again, they will be used again.

In reality, the nuclear bomb we dropped on those two cities was less destructive than the bombing runs we did on German and Japanese cities using conventional bombs.

We had to use that weapon. The Japanese were no where near defeated. They still had a lot of fight left in them yet and an invasion would have been necessary.

Those bombs saved countless American and Japanese lives.
 
Rrog

Rrog

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NLXSK1 said:
Does Japan regularly apologize to us for a sneak attack that killed over 3000 people and the deaths of millions upon millions in it's war of aggression?

If we take the bombings out of context then we miss the point that Japanese as well as American lives were saved by forcing the Japanese government to surrender.

I think the time to apologize has passed. The time to remember and make sure it doesnt happen again is forever.
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Gotta call a great statement when I see one
 
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ricky6991

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I actually just watched a documentary NOT on the war itself but on the scientists involved in creating the bombs.

Suprised no one has mentioned this but there were scientists on both sides of the war working for this nuclear weapon. IMO it was not a case of trying to just end the war to try a new weapon. They were intact ahead of the united states by 2 years (if i remmeber right) on making a nuclear bomb and we had no idea how much they accomplished. The united states were trying to find the main scientist leading the research and an agent tracked him down and felt that they were not close enough to launching and chose not to take his life. Later there was an explosion at the main research lab when trying to multiply the nucleus after they split it.

This is what supposidly made the US rush to dropping the bomb. The US thought they already been right at completion. At the end of the documentary the scientist was not charged with any war crimes and claimed he purposely created the explosion to hinder them from launching a nuke first. However, the scientists involved on the united states side were devistated by the amount of damage that was caused and felt tremendously at fault afterwards. (supposedly anyways).

There was so much more to the story but those were main points. Pretty in depth stuff in documentaries. I watched another on of the space exploration. The united states was actually getting shown up for long time and if there leading rocket scientist had not died we may very well have not been first on the moon. (sorry off topic)

Edit - as for obama apologizing... How could he apolgize. If history shows the united states was attacked and we began to retaliate. That would be fine. So if we are then at war and the oposing side is trying to rush developement for a nuke and we know about it then our only way to win was to drop one first... There would be crazy pressure at that time to actually sau yes to dropping that bomb. I can safely say its good thing it was done. Now that it is history and it is fact they would have dropped it first if they could have then why is an apology necessary. Those people who died is tragic but it was from their own countries doing. What else did tey expect when they were trying to drop one first.
 
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Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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ricky6991 said:
I actually just watched a documentary NOT on the war itself but on the scientists involved in creating the bombs.

Suprised no one has mentioned this but there were scientists on both sides of the war working for this nuclear weapon. IMO it was not a case of trying to just end the war to try a new weapon. They were intact ahead of the united states by 2 years (if i remmeber right) on making a nuclear bomb and we had no idea how much they accomplished. The united states were trying to find the main scientist leading the research and an agent tracked him down and felt that they were not close enough to launching and chose not to take his life. Later there was an explosion at the main research lab when trying to multiply the nucleus after they split it.

This is what supposidly made the US rush to dropping the bomb. The US thought they already been right at completion. At the end of the documentary the scientist was not charged with any war crimes and claimed he purposely created the explosion to hinder them from launching a nuke first. However, the scientists involved on the united states side were devistated by the amount of damage that was caused and felt tremendously at fault afterwards. (supposedly anyways).

There was so much more to the story but those were main points. Pretty in depth stuff in documentaries. I watched another on of the space exploration. The united states was actually getting shown up for long time and if there leading rocket scientist had not died we may very well have not been first on the moon. (sorry off topic)

Edit - as for obama apologizing... How could he apolgize. If history shows the united states was attacked and we began to retaliate. That would be fine. So if we are then at war and the oposing side is trying to rush developement for a nuke and we know about it then our only way to win was to drop one first... There would be crazy pressure at that time to actually sau yes to dropping that bomb. I can safely say its good thing it was done. Now that it is history and it is fact they would have dropped it first if they could have then why is an apology necessary. Those people who died is tragic but it was from their own countries doing. What else did tey expect when they were trying to drop one first.
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Germany was, not Japan. Heisenberg and Oppenheimer.
 
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ricky6991

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Lmao good call. Was honestly thinking i was mixing 2 things up when typing it. Was thinking about hitler as typing and thinking wtf am i remembering hitler for.
 
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fdd2blk

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I'm still having a hard time understanding why they hit a major city and not an actual military target. Why not take out the Japanese Navy? Or an airfield? Why kill women and children?
 
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