Obama says police act stupidly

Joe Camel

Well-Known Member
Completely fucked up.
I think that question could have been planted at the end of obamas press conference.

America news media is soo Fucked up when it comes to priority's
What other way to deffer the american public than a controversy.
that whole speech was washed away cause of his statement on this. Which had no place in the 1st place.
And him stating he didnt know the facts is probably because his Cronnie called him and said the MAN is being racist.

He deserved to be arrested for disturbing the peace.
This kind of shit makes me sick.
I have found that blacks are the most racists.
 

what... huh?

Active Member
A few things.

1. Gates didn't "chase" anybody around the yard "going apeshit".

2. He DID show ID after initial resistance to the notion. He then continued to resist the notion.

So yeah... the guy is race obsessed. That isn't illegal. Telling a cop to go fuck himself is not illegal either... which didn't happen. He had the audacity to question the motivation behind an authority figures actions. Not only is THAT not illegal, it is our most sacred legal right.

Let us also consider that the woman who called in said "two black guys with backpacks" were breaking into the house. That is an odd statement considering the facts. The notion of racism is probably not too far from the truth, whether it was the cops or not.

The point is, the man had every right to question authority, even if those questions imply potential wrongdoing of that authority. The man had every right to draw attention to a scene on his own property if he felt his rights were being violated by illegal action, real or imagined, by the police.

It was a stupid fucking arrest... and I am probably more pro-cop than most of you.

You cannot intimidate a citizenry into silence. Not even for sake of accuracy or honor. The officer should have taken his licking and demanded the university apologize to him.

Cambridge has had a long history of purported racism from police AND citizens... prompting a few investigations. So the notion of impropriety is not unfathomable... and is CERTAINLY not arrestable. It was a stupid move.
 

ChChoda

Well-Known Member
A few things.

1. Gates didn't "chase" anybody around the yard "going apeshit".

2. He DID show ID after initial resistance to the notion. He then continued to resist the notion.

So yeah... the guy is race obsessed. That isn't illegal. Telling a cop to go fuck himself is not illegal either... which didn't happen. He had the audacity to question the motivation behind an authority figures actions. Not only is THAT not illegal, it is our most sacred legal right.

Let us also consider that the woman who called in said "two black guys with backpacks" were breaking into the house. That is an odd statement considering the facts. The notion of racism is probably not too far from the truth, whether it was the cops or not.

The point is, the man had every right to question authority, even if those questions imply potential wrongdoing of that authority. The man had every right to draw attention to a scene on his own property if he felt his rights were being violated by illegal action, real or imagined, by the police.

It was a stupid fucking arrest... and I am probably more pro-cop than most of you.

You cannot intimidate a citizenry into silence. Not even for sake of accuracy or honor. The officer should have taken his licking and demanded the university apologize to him.

Cambridge has had a long history of purported racism from police AND citizens... prompting a few investigations. So the notion of impropriety is not unfathomable... and is CERTAINLY not arrestable. It was a stupid move.
I wouldn't be surprised if the folks in Cambridge are very race oriented people. It is a bastion of liberalism, after all. I bet the cop even voted for Obama; it was historic, don't ya know. You live by it, you die by it. Liberalism especially.
 

TreesOfLife

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http://romanticpoet.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/its-not-about-the-stupidity-of-the-police-according-to-obama-in-the-incident-with-henry-louis-gates-jr-its-the-marxistsocialist-connections-with-ties-to-larry-summers/



Obama Vocalizes In Support of Henry Louis Gates,Jr.;plays the Race Card Again But FAILS To Tell Americans About Gate’s Ties To Marxist/Socialists and Larry Summers.



Fellow Marxists/Socialists/Communists standing up for each other?

It is actually not about what most are trying to make it out to be, it is about the protectionism of fellow “pals”.

Trying to make Americans think it is actually ONLY about racism, racial profiling, etc. and as Obama stated “police acted stupidly”….BUT if you dig a little deeper about Henry Louis Gates, Jr. you find:

Henry Louis Gates Jr. is the director of the W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for African and African American Research at Harvard University. He is a co-founder of TheRoot.com and the site’s editor-in-chief.

Gates frequently compares himself to W.E.B. Du Bois for whom his institute is named.
About W.E.B. DuBois:
  • Civil rights activist, celebrated author
  • Elitist advocate of the “Talented Tenth” theory
  • Member of the Communist Party
Du Bois advocated the so-called “Talented Tenth” theory, which held that the intellectual elite of the black community embodied the best hope of making inroads into American social and political life, and thereby paving the way for other blacks to follow. It was the Talented Tenth, said DuBois, who could uplift the rest of the black race.
In 1911 Du Bois joined the Socialist Party. He left the Party a year later, in part because of what he perceived as racism within its ranks, and in part because he wished to devote his full efforts to the endorsement of Woodrow Wilson’s 1912 Presidential bid. But DuBois remained a committed socialist and continued his contributions to the socialist press. He attended the Paris Peace Conference in 1919, which prefigured his appointment as a consultant to the American delegation at the 1945 founding of the United Nations at San Francisco.

Du Bois’ 1927 visit to the USSR inspired him to call the Soviet system “the most hopeful vehicle for the world.” In 1935 he published the book Black Reconstruction, which offered a Marxist interpretation of the Reconstruction Era. In 1942 DuBois signed a statement of the Citizens Committee to Free Earl Browder, the general secretary of the Communist Party (and as the Venona transcripts later revealed the leader of a large Soviet espionage ring), who was then serving a four-year term for using false passports; President Franklin D. Roosevelt released Browder from most of his sentence as a gesture of goodwill to Stalin.
As Du Bois grew older, he dropped any independent cover he had maintained openly joined the Communist cause. In 1950, at the age 82, he made his first bid for public office, running for the New York State Senate on the American Labor Party ticket. He lost the election but remained committed to his cause. Eight years later, he joined Trotskyists, ex-Communists, and independent radicals in proposing the creation of a united leftwing coalition to challenge for seats in the New York State elections. In 1961 he joined the Communist Party USA and emigrated to Ghana to live in Kwame Nkrumah’s socialist police state, which he preferred to his native land. He made Herbert Aptheker, the chief theoretician of the American Communist Party, the executor of his papers.
In 1963 the Communist Party named its new youth group (a successor to the Young Communist League) the W.E.B. DuBois Clubs.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1522

Henry Gates, Jr. co-authored two books with Cornel West.
The Future of the Race (with Henry Louis Gates, Jr., 1996);
and
The African-American Century: How Black Americans Have Shaped Our Century (with Henry Louis Gates, Jr., 2000)

ABOUT CORNEL WEST:
West’s best-selling book Race Matters (1993), which has sold 400,000 copies, changed the course of America’s dialogue on race, justice, and democracy. His writings, along with his frequent lecturing and preaching, has brought him widespread attention and honors. West’s first book, Prophesy Deliverance! (1982), advocates a socially concerned African American Christianity that draws from Marxism. His American Evasion of Philosophy (1989) engages the work of Ralph Waldo Emerson and the tradition of American pragmatism, especially the thought of John Dewey. Through the 1990s and into this decade West has continued to produce a steady stream of authored and co-authored books for academics and for a more general audience, including Breaking Bread (with bell hooks, 1991); Race Matters (1993); Jews and Blacks (with Michael Lerner, 1995 ); The Future of the Race (with Henry Louis Gates, Jr., 1996); and The African-American Century: How Black Americans Have Shaped Our Century (with Henry Louis Gates, Jr., 2000). His recent work also includes two important books he co-authored on public policy issues: The Future of American Progressivism (with Roberto Unger, 1998) and The War Against Parents (with Sylvia Ann Hewlett, 1998).


West has worked with numerous political and social organizations. He has been a long-time member, and now serves as an honorary Chair, of the Democratic Socialists of America. He co-chaired the National Parenting Organization’s Task Force on Parent Empowerment. He is a co-chair of the Tikkun Community. He was part of President Clinton’s National Conversation on Race. He has joined Al Sharpton’s Presidential exploratory committee (read article at gwu.edu).
West was an undergraduate at Harvard, where among his teachers was political philosopher John Rawls, receiving the AB Magna Cum Laude in 1973. He earned MA (1975) and PhD (1980) degrees from Princeton. From 1977 to 1984 and 1987-88 West taught at Union Theological Seminary, with an appointment at Yale Divinty School from 1984-87 intervening. From 1988 to 1993 West was Professor of religion and director of the Program in African-American Studies at Princeton. In 1993 West joined the W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for Afro-American Research at Harvard Univerity, and became Alphonse Fletcher Jr. University Professor in 1998.
http://www.pragmatism.org/library/west/http://www.pragmatism.org/library/west/



CORNEL WEST:









  • Popular Marxist intellectual; describes himself as a “prophet”
  • Highly paid campus speaker and professor at Princeton
  • Friend of Louis Farrakhan
  • Political advisor to Al Sharpton
  • Views America as a nation thoroughly infested with white racism
Cornel West is a Professor of Religion and African American Studies at Princeton University. The recipient of more than twenty honorary degrees and a National Book Award, he is a longtime member of the Democratic Socialists of America, for which he currently serves as Honorary Chair. He is also a co-chair of Michael Lerner’s Tikkun Community.
West was born in 1953 in Tulsa, Oklahoma. From a young age, he proclaimed that he admired “the sincere black militancy of Malcolm X, the defiant rage of theBlack Panther Party … and the livid black [liberation] theology of James Cone
Growing up in the radical 1960s, West became a black militant activist and president of his senior class in high school. At seventeen he was recruited to Harvard, where, as he describes it, he was determined to press the university and its intellectual traditions into the service of his political agendas.
“Owing to my family, church, and the black social movements of the 1960s,” he says, “I arrived at Harvard unashamed of my African, Christian, and militant de-colonized outlooks. More pointedly, I acknowledged and accented the empowerment of my black styles, mannerisms, and viewpoints, my Christian values of service, love, humility, and struggle, and my anti-colonial sense of self-determination for oppressed people and nations around the world.”
In 2008 Senator Barack Obama named West to his presidential campaign’s Black Advisory Council. West is a great admirer of Obama’s former pastor and longtime spiritual mentor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=813

On African American history by David White:

Recently TIME Magazine invited Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. to participate in TIME’s weekly feature “10 Questions.” Each week “10 Questions” allows readers to submit questions to various well known personalities.

The entire article can be found here…
I’ve admired Henry Louis Gates Jr. for a long time. As one of America’s most noted scholars on African-American studies I’ve always appreciated his thorough academic approach to dealing with the problems of race relations in America.

Is African-American history taught enough in our schools? David Veigel, VIRGINIA BEACH

Gates: No. African-American history is generally taught only in Black History Month, which is February, the coldest, darkest, shortest month. It’s like the month that was left over, they gave to black people. I’m a big advocate of teaching history in our public schools on a multicultural level.

While I agree that that African-American history should be taught throughout the year and on a multicultural level I was astounded by his inference that Black History Month was assigned to the month of February out of spite by the white establishment since it is the “coldest, darkest, shortest month.” Gates is a brilliant man which is why I am shocked by the ignorance of his statement that February was assigned Black History Month because it was “the month that was left over.”
http://ecarson.wordpress.com/2009/03/07/on-african-american-history-by-david-white/


Henry Louis Gates Jr. to continue at Harvard:

Renowned scholar will continue as chair of Afro-American Studies Department and director of W.E.B. Du Bois Institute

Lawrence H. Summers, president of Harvard University, and William C. Kirby, dean of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences (FAS), announced today that W.E.B. Du Bois Professor of the Humanities Henry Louis “Skip” Gates Jr., will continue as chair of the Afro-American Studies Department and director of the W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for Afro-American Research at Harvard University.

“Harvard University is committed to remaining pre-eminent in Afro-American Studies. I am delighted that Professor Gates will continue his leadership of our Department of Afro-American Studies and of the W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for Afro-American Research,” Summers said.
“I look forward to working with Skip and his colleagues and with those who will join the department and the Du Bois Institute in the months and years ahead. The important issues surrounding the African-American experience deserve Harvard’s fullest attention. Skip brings unsurpassed commitment, energy, and creativity to these critical questions, and we are very pleased that he will continue his significant work here at Harvard,” Summers concluded.
Dean Kirby said, “I am very pleased to announce that Professor Gates will remain at Harvard, and that he will continue to lead us from strength to strength, building an even better department and W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for Afro-American Research. His extraordinary scholarship, vision, and commitment have helped to make Harvard’s Afro-American Studies department pre-eminent in the nation. His charisma, leadership, and unbounded energy have touched the lives of faculty and students across the Faculty of Arts and Sciences and, indeed, the entire University.”
“With the unfortunate departure of Anthony Appiah and Cornel West, the department is in a period of transition. Because of my devotion to the department and the Du Bois Institute, I felt it crucial that I remain here and join my colleagues in this exciting process of rebuilding. In the last few months, we have attracted significant talent to the department, including renowned scholar Evelynn M. Hammonds, and we have the opportunity to bring more people here,” Gates said.
“I have been deeply touched by the outpouring of support and affection from my colleagues on the faculty, students at Harvard, President Summers, and Dean Kirby,” Gates continued. “And, I have no doubt that the administration is committed to maintaining our status as the number one department in our field. Therefore, despite an extremely appealing opportunity to join Professor Appiah and Professor West in building Afro-American studies at Princeton, I have decided to remain on the faculty at Harvard. But, there is no doubt that Princeton has emerged as a major center of Afro-American studies. And, I applaud the leadership and vision of President Tilghman and Provost Gutmann because we need multiple centers of excellence in our field, and Princeton is one of these.”
Entire article can be read at:
http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/12.05/09-gates.html


AMERICA BEHIND THE COLOR LINE
Henry Louis Gates Jr.
Chair, Department of African and African American Studies, Harvard University; Author, America Behind the Color Line: Dialogues with African Americans

Henry Louis Gates Jr. – January 28, 2004

Q: Ten years ago, in a Charlie Rose interview, you and Cornel West agreed that class, not race, was the big divider in America. Do you still agree with that? What is your definition of class?

A: By class I just mean economic relationships, and do I agree with it? Absolutely! Vernon Jordan [My note here: Is this Vernon Jordan, Valerie Jarrett's GREAT UNCLE?] says in the film, The issue today is the money. It is about money. Our experience here has always been about the money. Slavery is about money – it’s about an economic relationship. The West needed a source of free/cheap labor; it needed a massive subsidy to build the West, and that was us because of technological reasons. They had technology; we didn’t. They had the gun; we didn’t. We were easily subjugatable, and so that’s our legacy in the West. Have you ever wondered why the movement fell apart after Dr. King was killed? It really started to fall apart after the passage of the Civil Rights Act of ‘64 and the Voting Rights Act of ‘65, because so many of us thought that once we ended de jure segregation, once we got rid of racist laws, that we would all go tumbling headlong into the larger middle class. There is a slippage there. We confused race issues with economic issues. Often they are conflated, but often, as it turns out, what we thought were exclusively racial issues, once you peel away the surface level of race, turn out to be fundamental to every society and are, in fact, economic. Unless we address things now, and in the next phase of the civil rights movement, on an economic basis, then we are destined to have this permanent class divide in the black community. Don’t get me wrong – there’s not going to be some socialist nirvana in America, and everybody’s going to be in the same class. I, for one, wouldn’t think that was a good idea anyway; no one’s ever accused me of being a Marxist.
But I’m smart enough to know that this society cannot function – American society – as it’s supposed to function with these huge class inequities.
To my astonishment, one of the few people on the campaign trail talking about issues like this is John Edwards. Edwards is the one talking about, We have two nations in America, we need to do something about this.


Q: What does the 21st century hold for African Americans and race relations in general?

A. It all depends on what we as a people – meaning members of the American community – do in response to the huge class divides across color in our society. Forty-three million Americans don’t have health insurance. Are we going to be content to live in a society that allows so many people to live on the streets? So many people to die with no health care? To have catastrophic illness wipe out all that they’ve tried to build? What kind of people would we be if we let that happen? And secondly, are we, as African Americans, going to allow the class divide to continue without at least dying trying to fight for our inner-city brothers and sisters to change their lives, while we fight for the system itself to adapt and create new alternatives and possibilities? If we do those things, then I think the future of the African-American people will be bright. If we don’t, the future will be bright for the black middle class, which is perpetuating itself, and the future will be a nightmare for the black underclass.
[My interjectory note HERE: Read that last sentence AGAIN.....slowly and let it sink in. "Bright for the black middle class.......nightmare for the black underclass. Gates JUST ADMITTED HERE it is about CLASS not RACISM......]
http://www.commonwealthclub.org/archive/04/04-01gates-qa.html


My end note HERE:
**UPDATE!**
The woman that reported the possible Breaking and Entering of the residence and the start of this whole incident was Lucia Whalen.
About Lucia Whalen:
SHE is PART of the Harvard University Magazine.
Circulation and Fundraising Manager: Lucia Whalen
http://harvardmagazine.com/contact/staff
Are you going to say she didn’t know WHO this “distinguished” professor was who has been at Harvard for YEARS and is the DIRECTOR of the W.E.B. Dubois African American Institute at Harvard?
Something “smells” here……..
Summation of Henry Louis Gates, Jr.:
1. Is director of the W.E.B. Dubois Institute for African American studies.
2. Speaks about the African American……classes……black middle class and the black underclass.
3. Connected to Cornel West.
4. Known to Larry Summers (Harvard) who is Obama’s Economic Advisor.
5. Incident reported by the Circulating and fundraising manager of the Harvard Magazine. WHO set her up to call? Supposedly the 911 call was by a “passerby”? Is Whalen an actual neighbor? Call was placed at 12:42pm in BROAD DAYLIGHT.

Actual police report: Read for YOURSELVES what actually transpired.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html

Information in this blog denotes connections to Henry Louis Gates, Jr., Cornel West, Larry Summers and Obama.
Does Obama personally know Henry Gates, Jr.? Has anyone bothered asking?
WHY was Obama so quick to play the race card and state the police acted “stupidly”?
You decide.
 

TreesOfLife

Well-Known Member
paraphrased? :joint:
Obama Vocalizes In Support of Henry Louis Gates,Jr.;plays the Race Card Again But FAILS To Tell Americans About Gate’s Ties To Marxist/Socialists and Larry Summers.



Fellow Marxists/Socialists/Communists standing up for each other?

It is actually not about what most are trying to make it out to be, it is about the protectionism of fellow “pals”.

Trying to make Americans think it is actually ONLY about racism, racial profiling, etc. and as Obama stated “police acted stupidly”….BUT if you dig a little deeper about Henry Louis Gates, Jr. you find:
 

cbtwohundread

Well-Known Member
big p i enjoy looking at the picture on your avatar,,hes a sadhu for those who dont know,,,back to the point police enjoy racial profiling those of color i dont know why but i live with the most crooked cops in the states,(lapd)so im used to it
 

what... huh?

Active Member
I am not talking about whether or not I would have dinner with the dude. I give two shits whether or not he "thinks like me".

What he did was not illegal, and can not be viewed as illegal or we give up something very important. If cops, through illegal search and seizure, threaten to bring your world down... it would be nice if you could have some witnesses to the event... on your own property. So that your word against theirs becomes plural. That is important not to arrest people for. Politics aside. I believe that Obama acted unprofessionally by positing the opinion, even though asked, instead of saying that he will not comment on matters under investigation.

At the same time... it isn't any dereliction of duty. It was just unprofessional... and demotivational to a police force. They lost face in front of every person they are supposed to be trusted to protect. His interference in what was probably not at ALL racially motivated on the officers side, carries way too much weight and was inappropriate.

I am just addressing law... and the laws intent.
 

ChChoda

Well-Known Member
http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/gl-272-toc.htm

:o

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ten feet!

Member
and he is a racist bitch.


Sounds to me like you're the racist.




i fuckin hate racists like you ten feet.




Are you trying to say that I'm racist against white people?:dunce:




I cant wait till you need help and go crying to the cops for help like a little bitch.:hump:



99.5% of cops are worthless pieces of shit. I wouldn't call them for help with jack shit no matter the circumstance.
 

ten feet!

Member
Why is Gates a racist you may ask…Well think of this…if the cop was black do you think he would have acted the same way? Absolutely not. However, if the cop showed up to the house and the guy breaking open the door was white do you think he would have acted the same way? Definitely.
:spew:


Ohhh please. What a load of shit. You must live a very sheltered life. Why don't you turn off the hate radio and the faux news and try having an original thought of your own for once rather than regurgitating the latest republicon talking points?
 

ten feet!

Member
The officer had every right to make an arrest for disorderly conduct and Obama's comment was dumb. Black people are over sensitive and try to say everything is racist.


If he had every right to make the arrest for disorderly conduct then why did he drop the charges? That cop was on a massive power trip and he thought he was god. He arrested Gates while he was inside his own home and he knew it. The cop acted stupidly to say the least.
 

ten feet!

Member
The cop was actually an expert on racial profiling and he taught classes about how to avoid racial profiling. You are ignorant.


Sounds like he needs to go back to school and hit the books then. That cop has no business training anyone in the ways of his stupidity.. :finger:
 

PVS

Active Member
For those of you who haven't heard. A Cambridge police officer responded to a possible burglary at a black mans residence. The black guy gave the officer a hard time and started to become disorderly. The black man felt he was being racially profiled. The officer arrested the black guy for disorderly conduct and later charges were dropped.
At a press conference Obama was asked about the situation and said, I don't know the facts, but the cambridge officer acted stupidly.
What the fuck is wrong with this situation. I don't think I can stand to hear anymore racial this or racial that bullshit.
In addition, racial profiling is based on statistics. Certain ethnic groups have higher criminal records per capita.
i like how you just repeated the police report word for word. after all, we can trust the police to never falsify reports to cover their own asses.

and racial profiling is fucked up. i have no respect for people who support...well...racism, really.
 

atavistic

Well-Known Member
So the black Mr. Gates, tenured at Harvard, is oppressed in a liberal city with a black Mayor, in a State with a black Governor, in a country with a black President. The incident report was written by a Hispanic officer and corroborated by at least 2 additional black officers on scene.

Sometimes you get the feeling if there was 1 homeless white guy left in a 'minority' dominated America, he'd be oppressing everyone.

This isn't a pro-cop site, but no doubt Gates was being a jerk-off. The only proper responses to a cop are 'Yes, sir' & 'No, sir'. Or do they only teach white kids that?
 

strangerdude562

Well-Known Member
Police are trained to arrest anyone on sight, when my house was burglarized I was detained for 4 hours until I could get identified by my parents. I am disappointed at Obama because they made something small into a big deal and possibly ruined this police officers career.
 
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