Obamacare and Affirmative Action

Any time people discuss a Government option for health care or anything else, there is a 600lb gorilla in the room that nobody wants to discuss.

That 600lb gorilla is the reality of race based hiring quotas in Government hiring and contracting along with all the other regulation regarding minimum wage, drug testing and much more.


http://library.findlaw.com/1999/Jan/1/241470.html

Now, before closing your mind and going Liberal on me, consider the ramifications of these policies.

To most, it is quite clear that a performance problem is created when employees are hired for reasons other than their ability to get the job done. Nowhere is this more evident than in Government hiring.

The TSA (airport sreeners) are an excellent example. Though we must pay them a high wage due to Government regulation, they are usually not the best people for the job because they are not hired on this basis - they are hired largely because of their race. The same is true with the DMV, the post office and just about any other entity that depends on Federal funds.

Not only do Government jobs (direct or through contract) carry race based quotas that create this problem, but they also make it difficult to fire the particularly bad employees due to red tape.

And the wages we must pay these poorly performing employees is artificially inflated through Government regulation such as the Davis-Bacon act.

http://www.dol.gov/compliance/laws/comp-dbra.htm


So, when we consider the reality of socialized medicine and we look at other Countries as examples of working systems, we also must consider whether or not these Countries have similar policies and challenges.

Consider the fact that health insurance companies employ millions of people and they have massive operating expenses of their own aside from what they pay out in claims. This amounts to a vast bureaucratic system even in the most efficient of them.

How much worse will it be when the massive office buildings occupied by companies such as BCBS are filled with poorly performing, apathetic Government employees who can not be fired and who earn artificially inflated wages and far better benefits than those they manage? And they recieve all of this regardless of their performance. They can be as lazy, incompitant, apathetic, inept and unprofessional as they desire and their pay and their job will remain uneffected.

I am not familiar with the Government hiring practices in France, but something tells me they do not face the same challenges we do here. I for one, cringe when I am forced to deal with incompitance and apathy. I can not imagine having to deal with this in order to recieve medical treatment and I refuse to put in the hands of such people decissions regarding my health and well being. in my mind, only a fool would choose to do so.

I now open the floor to charges of bigotry and a racism that I know will be forthcoming.

why do you think that a doctor's office will become like the DMV, with some crazed black person sticking enema's in you??

it's not what's gonna happen.

you'll still see your doctor, not crazy black person...

and what's your deal with minorities?? you quickly assume everybody that's a minority just runs to work with the government, and resigns to mediocrity...

it's such a disgusting stereotype, even when it's been proven wrong, now more than ever: america has an black president.

get it out of your head, it's not the color of the skin.

redivider said:

why do you think that a doctor's office will become like the DMV, with some crazed black person sticking enema's in you??

it's not what's gonna happen.

you'll still see your doctor, not crazy black person...

and what's your deal with minorities?? you quickly assume everybody that's a minority just runs to work with the government, and resigns to mediocrity...

it's such a disgusting stereotype, even when it's been proven wrong, now more than ever: america has an black president.

get it out of your head, it's not the color of the skin.

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Why should i be happy its a crazy indian doctor stuffing enamas up my ass...instead of a black one? if your poor your doctor isnt american...ill take a black doctor any day as long as he speaks english

Here in the states, administrative costs run about 22%.

In Switzerland, they are about 5.5%. In Germany, they are about 6%. In Taiwan, even less.

I used to have a job for the state government. It was no different there then other places I worked. If you didn't bring in the money, you got canned, no matter who you were.

We can circumvent the issue altogether by taking other countries' lead on the issue and leaving the health insurance companies private but taking away their profit motive, like other wealthy capitalist democracies have done. You would think competition woiuld decrease, right? False. These businesses still compete for customers despite being banned from making profits. Because it is in their best interests not to perish.

dukeofbaja said:

Here in the states, administrative costs run about 22%.

In Switzerland, they are about 5.5%. In Germany, they are about 6%. In Taiwan, even less.

I used to have a job for the state government. It was no different there then other places I worked. If you didn't bring in the money, you got canned, no matter who you were.

We can circumvent the issue altogether by taking other countries' lead on the issue and leaving the health insurance companies private but taking away their profit motive, like other wealthy capitalist democracies have done. You would think competition woiuld decrease, right? False. These businesses still compete for customers despite being banned from making profits. Because it is in their best interests not to perish.

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Especially the CEOs that regularily rake in million dollar+++ bonuses.

medicineman said:

Especially the CEOs that regularily rake in million dollar+++ bonuses.

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And yet they want to raise premiums on the heels of record breaking profits....scumbags.

That is why our current system in not sustainable, and the longer we wait, the more it will cost to fix.

I want SmartCards like they have in Taiwan. Those guys have it figured out with respect to healthcare. No waiting, universal coverage, and they only pay 6.5% of GDP for it. That will likely have to go up to 8% for it to be sustainable for them, now isn't that a dilemma the US would love to have? Especially considering healthcare costs us about 17% of GDP. Pathetic.

I worked in state government for 26 years and got to the highest level possible short of political appointment. never once did I have a job that I couldn't easily do in 10 hrs a week, and I was always the hardest working person around. The OP is correct, if we follow Obama we will become a second rate nation of non-productive apparatchiks.

If we do nothing, we will become a second rate nation. Oh, wait...for those without health insurance, we are already fourth rate. My bad.

Guess our experiences in working for state government varied greatly, seeing as how I was in constant competition against two black men and two white men and one white woman for who was top earner. And whichever one of us worked harder and went more balls to the wall would win. Jobs I held outside of that one were the ones where I could finish my workload for the week in 10 hours.

The OP is about jobs being funded with Federal dollars, not State - but I'd bet dollars to dough nuts most State programs are less efficient than private ones.

And to those who completely missed the point, it is about bureaucracy and inefficiency at the administrative levels - not in the actual treatment though this is touched by AA as well. But, that is another subject.

It is telling though that nobody has addressed the issues I have raised. We have heard the Liberal dogma regurgitated numerous times - does anyone have a response with regard to what I posted?

Does anyone care to discuss the prospect of people hired due to AA and guaranteed inflated wages making decisions about which procedures will be available to you? Do you want people who have no business having the job they have delaying approval for your medical treatment for weeks or months due to their ineptitude and apathy?

Do you want to be forced to deal with morons who have zero incentive to deal with you professionally or help with any of your problems. Basically, you will experience the same woefully inadequate service in order to get health care that you will when you need to discuss your water bill or complain about a pot hole.

I can see how if you grew up in a rural area you might not get it, but come to a major City and you will have a different world view.

they will force you to work 3 jobs and live in a small place with lots of roomates you wont be able to leave the country because of border security you will eat crappy food that is bad for you thanks to the international food CODEX and you will breath pollution. when you get sick they will give you drugs and treatments that will be expensive and make you sicker youll die and they will take anything you might have left

afermitive action is discrimination and all govt employees should be replaced by more quilified people 1 hard working person could easily do the work of 10 or 20 govt employees and diffrent govt entities could be condensed we could spend less and be more effecent