Obamacare to cut work hours by equivalent of 2 million jobs: CBO

ChesusRice · Feb 5, 2014

Beagler said:
Jay Carney disputes the CBO findings and calls them inaccurate.

Too many people gaming Unemployment insurance right now. If they really want the Unemployment numbers to go down they need to cut off unemployment benefits for those not looking for work. And i know a few that have no intention of finding a job while they get the UC benefits

Beagler · Feb 5, 2014

Unemployment can be measured in a few ways. The numbers went down after extensions weren't continued. Obama used this lower figure to pat himself on the back, yet called for the benefits to be extended.

I think it is also important to look at the total number of people who actually receive a paycheck, not just how many draw a UI check

Beagler · Feb 5, 2014

I also know of some who earn money and don't hold a formal job. Some would rather have traditional job, some would not.
I've no clue how that would fit into unemployment numbers

twostrokenut · Feb 5, 2014

Fuck the cbo....noone here with actual experience?

My company is in the process of re classifying everyone as part time.

I won't share the details but its retarded. Epitomy of dependancy.

Store employees depending on subsidies for sales will qualify for subsidies once pt prolly.

This shit is happening fast.

ChesusRice · Feb 5, 2014

Beagler said:
I also know of some who earn money and don't hold a formal job. Some would rather have traditional job, some would not.
I've no clue how that would fit into unemployment numbers

Not stopping anything you want to do. just make sure you report that income to UC so they can adjust your check accordingly.
UC is a stop gap measure while you look for a job. Not supplemental income.

heckler73 · Feb 5, 2014

ChesusRice said:
Not stopping anything you want to do. just make sure you report that income to UC so they can adjust your check accordingly.
UC is a stop gap measure while you look for a job. Not supplemental income.

Not yet, perhaps...give it time, and a few more years of systemic failure in re-firing the furnaces of capitalism. Let those productivity gains and technological unemployment factors take their course.
I have a feeling, in the next 5 years, Friedman's Negative Income Tax idea will start wiggling through the cracks of Fiscal policy.

And people will just come to accept it over time, much as they do with most taxes and levies. The shift into a part-time world will be more complete.
In a sense, it will be a subsidy to SMEs, allowing them a better opportunity to survive beyond 2 years by offering a constant, minimum consumer base coupled with the flexibility of a larger labour supply.

Beagler · Feb 5, 2014

ChesusRice said:
Not stopping anything you want to do. just make sure you report that income to UC so they can adjust your check accordingly.
UC is a stop gap measure while you look for a job. Not supplemental income.

Most people I knew on it didn't report under table income. Their business, not mine.
One guy offered to take me shopping for $200 of food in exchange for $60 cash. It was tempting, but I declined.

twostrokenut · Feb 5, 2014

Beagler said:
One guy offered to take me shopping for $200 of food in exchange for $60 cash.

Why not? Only way your tax dollars might work for you.

My company made us serve hot food with cold food labels, to increase sales....the world is descending into "gimme gimme" retardation it seems.

Beagler · Feb 5, 2014

Is that because hot food can't be bought with food cards?

I remember my mom using the old stamps and how imbarassed she felt about it, got a very uneasy feeling when the offer was made.

twostrokenut · Feb 5, 2014

Beagler said:
Is that because hot food can't be bought with food cards?

I remember my mom using the old stamps and how imbarassed she felt about it, got a very uneasy feeling when the offer was made.

I was just kidding about taking dude up on the offer...its pretty illegal to boot.
Yes, hot food is not able to be purchased with the food card. It will make the cash register(scanner) reject it if the clerk affixes the correct bar code.
This is why me opening a PapaMurphy's is very tempting, along with the cheap franchise buy-in.

If you didn't know, Papa Murphy's sells uncooked "take and bake" pizzas that are EBT compliant.

Crab legs are EBT compliant.....but steaming them is not.

beenthere · Feb 5, 2014

beenthere said:
Remember all the Obama ass suckers on here swearing the ACA wouldn't cause employers to cut back workers hours?
Maybe the CBO watches Fox News!

ChesusRice said:
maybe you didnt read the article
Oh right
you didnt

heckler73 said:
Not yet, perhaps...give it time, and a few more years of systemic failure in re-firing the furnaces of capitalism. Let those productivity gains and technological unemployment factors take their course.
I have a feeling, in the next 5 years, Friedman's Negative Income Tax idea will start wiggling through the cracks of Fiscal policy.

And people will just come to accept it over time, much as they do with most taxes and levies. The shift into a part-time world will be more complete.
In a sense, it will be a subsidy to SMEs, allowing them a better opportunity to survive beyond 2 years by offering a constant, minimum consumer base coupled with the flexibility of a larger labour supply.

The Freidman NIT tax you are referring to, is intended to replace all other welfare and entitlement programs, not to supplement them.

heckler73 · Feb 5, 2014

beenthere said:
The Freidman NIT tax you are referring to, is intended to replace all other welfare and entitlement programs, not to supplement them.

And...

I know very well the ramifications of such a plan. It will practically eliminate all offices surrounding the broad range of social services currently provided in this regard.
So it should please those who wish to see gov't become smaller (such as yourself), even though outlays will go up.

The point being it is far more efficient and practical as a "social safety net" versus the current, inefficient manner in which such outlays are administered.
There's no need to worry about fraud or "gaming the system" since the lowest common denominator is devoid of such concerns--and that's precluding the base economic benefit previously mentioned.

Oh sure, there's room for some "under the table" money being hustled, but is that any different from the current situation? Small jobs on the side with petty remuneration does little as far as grand economic distortions are concerned (see Italian income tax receipts for an extreme example). To which, the "taxman" still has all their power to go bust those evil leeches.

Or do you see some grand problem I'm failing to realize?

BigNBushy · Feb 6, 2014

UncleBuck said:
the CBO just plugs in whatever numbers any partisan gives them. are you too stupid to know this? too much fox news?

Funny, I've read your comments about the CBO before when their opinions were in favor of something you supported. You had very different opinions about the accuracy of the CBO.

BigNBushy · Feb 6, 2014

UncleBuck said:
which is why i didn't bother to read racist OP's dumb article.

the CBO will say whatever you want them to, you just have to give them the numbers to plug in.

FORBES wrote a good article explaining the myth of the PPACA and part time work. the vast majority of people who work part time choose to work part time.

the right is desperate. maybe id they actually had an alternative to their own plan that obama implemented, people would listen to them.

My god, you just have no sense of logical consistency do you?

How many times have we had to listen to you bitch about minimum wage part time jobs and how we need to do more to help these people, and now you're just saying they are choosing this to help lend support to your ACA.

You often say I'd make a terrible lawyer, but damn brother, in front of a judge, making motions and drafting pleadings, I'd tear yur ass up.

BigNBushy · Feb 6, 2014

SirGreenThumb said:
No I do know this. I know who they are being sold to and I know what them people do with them and it isn't my problem. I have no sympathy for people who abuse pharmaceuticals, I used to abuse opiates and got off of it myself. These same people that get these pills are the same people who were taking the fentanyl patches I was selling and scraping the gel off to take it to the vein. That is just stupid and will kill your ass quick.

Think what you want about me, but if I can trade pills for bud I"m gonna do it in a heartbeat and what happens with the pills afterwards isn't my responsibility or problem. People are free to make their own decisions and if someone wants to take some tabs to the vein, hey, that's what they choose to do.

You are perfectly right, it isn't your problem, it is their problem. The question you need to ask yourself is if you feel fine with contributing to it.

If you do, the go ahead, because that is what you are doing. Doesn't make you the devil, but it isn't a good thing to do.

Pinworm · Feb 6, 2014

Ewwww. I have to...*gulp* ... agree with Bushy.

Junkies will junk, yes...BUT...that's like saying children will stick pennies in light sockets, so fuck 'em if they do, it ain't my fault. I only gave them the penny. I'm not responsible.

You're responsible for your actions. Own 'em.

UncleBuck · Feb 6, 2014

BigNBushy said:
Funny, I've read your comments about the CBO before when their opinions were in favor of something you supported. You had very different opinions about the accuracy of the CBO.

given that republicans will stand on the senate floor and make statements that they later have to claim were "not intended to be a factual statement", i worry a little more about one side than the other.

furthermore, it has been brought to my attention that the CBO did not even attribute this cutting of work hours to obamacare.

fox news did run with that headline though.

UncleBuck · Feb 6, 2014

BigNBushy said:
My god, you just have no sense of logical consistency do you?

How many times have we had to listen to you bitch about minimum wage part time jobs and how we need to do more to help these people, and now you're just saying they are choosing this to help lend support to your ACA.

You often say I'd make a terrible lawyer, but damn brother, in front of a judge, making motions and drafting pleadings, I'd tear yur ass up.

the vast majority of people who work part time do so because they choose to work part time. FACT.

Pinworm · Feb 6, 2014

BigNBushy said:
You want to gulp down a load of my baby gravy instead?

If I've told you once.... You can't afford me, sweety.

UncleBuck · Feb 6, 2014

Pinworm said:
If I've told you once.... You can't afford me, sweety.

but he'll make you one hell of a sandwich.

and i hear he has a foot-long.

five dollars for his foot-long. we got a deal?

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