Official Lolbertarian thread. Discuss the benefits of No goverment

[londonfog]

I want no part of coercion or things which arise from coercion. I'm fine with people forming a club, community or "government" wherein all the people within it are there on a consensual and peaceful basis.

and happens when people in your utopia disagree ?

 

[heckler73]

Sorry but his utopia would not have any laws. Laws mean force to Rob Roy.

That's impossible; contracts need to be enforced. From my observation, his Justice system is run by corporations, which only brings a whole other ball of nonsense with it.
However, the point is there are courts and some semblance of Law in his Utopia.

AND I CHALLENGE HIM TO REFUTE IT!!!211@!!!1!

 

[londonfog]

That's impossible; contracts need to be enforced. From my observation, his Justice system is run by corporations, which only brings a whole other ball of nonsense with it.
However, the point is there are courts and some semblance of Law in his Utopia.

Nope his Utopia is a do what you want as long as it doesn't harm others. Laws to him are like slavery, used to force him and others to do things against their will. In order to have laws, someone or something would have to make them. @Rob Roy is against that, because that would mean someone or something is in control. If you are trying to control him, then you are raping him and making you him your slave.

 

[ginwilly]

If you are trying to control him, ..........making you him your slave.

Terrible grammar aside, do you consider "trying to control him" as granting him freedom? I know you were military and voluntarily gave over control of your body/mind, that doesn't mean the rest of us want to too. It worked for you because you are built that way, others may not be but deserve to live the life they choose too. Not everyone is built to just shut off the mind and follow orders and fall in line, if you try to force your way of living on them, then yes, it is a form of slavery. Sorry that's not PC to admit.

In other words, if you want to work in that massage parlor that's your choice, if you force me to work there, it's slavery.

The saddest part of your line of thought is you think Robroy is the one in the wrong for not wanting to be controlled. That's just sad as fuck.

Side note: In my utopia the Lions win the Superbowl this year and the election comes down to Biden/Trump just so a third party candidate can become viable again.

Lions are gonna shock the world!

 

[londonfog]

Terrible grammar aside, do you consider "trying to control him" as granting him freedom? I know you were military and voluntarily gave over control of your body/mind, that doesn't mean the rest of us want to too. It worked for you because you are built that way, others may not be but deserve to live the life they choose too. Not everyone is built to just shut off the mind and follow orders and fall in line, if you try to force your way of living on them, then yes, it is a form of slavery. Sorry that's not PC to admit.

In other words, if you want to work in that massage parlor that's your choice, if you force me to work there, it's slavery.

The saddest part of your line of thought is you think Robroy is the one in the wrong for not wanting to be controlled. That's just sad as fuck.

Side note: In my utopia the Lions win the Superbowl this year and the election comes down to Biden/Trump just so a third party candidate can become viable again.

Lions are gonna shock the world!

you go to work and you follow orders from someone. so wtf are you talking about ? We all follow orders from someone, be it your wife, boss, policies, or laws of society.
Question ...are you @Rob Roy bitch or will you allow him to answer for himself

 

[ginwilly]

you go to work and you follow orders from someone. so wtf are you talking about ? We all follow orders from someone, be it your wife, boss, policies, or laws of society.
Question ...are you @Rob Roy bitch or will you allow him to answer for himself

I'm allowed to deviate and think for myself. The military would fall apart if it operated like that. I'm not criticizing your choice, I'm just telling you it's not for everyone. I'm also saying because you made the choice to give up free will doesn't mean we all should and are bad people if we don't want to. LOL @ mocking anyone who doesn't want to be controlled.

Robroy can answer for himself, I didn't realize it was me who was stopping him. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[see4]

Ooo. Ooo. Lemmi join in.

Ok. So what's going on? Rob, you still not answering questions?

Somebody give me the low-down, what's the premise and who has argued for, and against, said premise?

Rob, stop having sex with 13 year olds. Harrekin, put that Guiness down, you drunk irish midget. Ginwilly, your face is ugly.

 

[Fogdog]

Your interpretation machine is out of oil apparently.

My answer is I am not comfortable with it, don't like it and would prefer it was impossible, but it could only be impossible if it weren't possible. My answer was not intended to be evasive. He asked a question that by his insistence"required" a yes or no answer, when the question to be properly answered needed qualification. I did that. His inability to comprehend the nature of what consent is, is not my problem.

I challenge you to go back read what I said and then refute it. If you don't or can't, I'll know why.

Well, you certainly clarified your answer.

So how about another question. What non coercive action would you take if your uncooperative neighbor opened up a chemical waste dump and polluted your air, surface water and well water, making your land unusable? Your neighbor is refusing to acknowledge his waste dump caused the pollution and won't talk to you. Also what defensive force can you take if your family were poisoned by this pollution?

 

[Rob Roy]

Well, you certainly clarified your answer.

So how about another question. What non coercive action would you take if your uncooperative neighbor opened up a chemical waste dump and polluted your air, surface water and well water, making your land unusable? Your neighbor is refusing to acknowledge his waste dump caused the pollution and won't talk to you. Also what defensive force can you take if your family were poisoned by this pollution?

I did clarify my answer. The answer is if something is not impossible, it is obviously possible, even if it is not very likely. Your poor attention to the form of the question and your preponderance for obeying idiots when they direct you to answer "yes" or "no" on a question when the answer is really "it all depends" is very telling.

Now to your question sir,

The answer is covered in chapter 7 of the book Market for Liberty, by Linda and Morris Tannehille. It might be a good idea to check out chapter 8 as well.

Have you read this book, yes or no ?

 

[Rob Roy]

Ooo. Ooo. Lemmi join in.

Ok. So what's going on? Rob, you still not answering questions?

Somebody give me the low-down, what's the premise and who has argued for, and against, said premise?

Rob, stop having sex with 13 year olds. Harrekin, put that Guiness down, you drunk irish midget. Ginwilly, your face is ugly.

You failed to mention your bulbous penis, please try again.

 

[Rob Roy]

That's impossible; contracts need to be enforced. From my observation, his Justice system is run by corporations, which only brings a whole other ball of nonsense with it.
However, the point is there are courts and some semblance of Law in his Utopia.

AND I CHALLENGE HIM TO REFUTE IT!!!211@!!!1!

When you don't have all the information available it is easy to draw the wrong conclusions. So again, you have made some assumptions which are erroneous. First off, in the absence of a central authority, the "corporation" (a government construct) as its known today would not exist would it?

If contracts need to be enforced, can you show me the contracts that individuals signed when they "joined" the respective countries they are in?

Surely, such a scholarly person as you have read Lysander Spooners essays on why the nature of government is built on something fallacious.

 

[Rob Roy]

I'm allowed to deviate and think for myself. The military would fall apart if it operated like that. I'm not criticizing your choice, I'm just telling you it's not for everyone. I'm also saying because you made the choice to give up free will doesn't mean we all should and are bad people if we don't want to. LOL @ mocking anyone who doesn't want to be controlled.

Robroy can answer for himself, I didn't realize it was me who was stopping him. Thanks for clearing that up.

Nice to see you back around.

 

[Rob Roy]

you go to work and you follow orders from someone. so wtf are you talking about ? We all follow orders from someone, be it your wife, boss, policies, or laws of society.
Question ...are you @Rob Roy bitch or will you allow him to answer for himself

If somebody orders you to do something that is wrong, do you disobey or do you follow the order?


What I'm getting at is there are a multitude of things that if you or I did them as individuals, you would instantly recognize as wrong, but if a group of people calling themselves your leaders tells you to do the same thing, do you think it somehow then becomes alright to do?

 

[Rob Roy]

Nope his Utopia is a do what you want as long as it doesn't harm others. Laws to him are like slavery, used to force him and others to do things against their will. In order to have laws, someone or something would have to make them. @Rob Roy is against that, because that would mean someone or something is in control. If you are trying to control him, then you are raping him and making you him your slave.

You might benefit from a better understanding of the application of the non-initiation of aggression principle.
Again, this principle does not deny people the right of self defense.

If a person isn't harming another person or depriving them of the use of their own property etc. what is your moral basis to use force to control that person? You seem to ridicule the idea that my erm "Utopia" expresses equal freedom for all, so how about detailing why individual freedom in conjunction with respect for others and their property is a bad thing.

 

[Rob Roy]

and happens when people in your utopia disagree ?

Free market arbitration is one thing.


Do you like to read anything beyond comic books and the USA Today's sports page? If the answer is yes, I can make some reading recommendations. If the answer is no, what are the odds on Big Papi hitting his 500th homer in Boston?

 

[Rob Roy]

Here you go Rob Roy a thread dedicated to you and your philosophie.
Lets see how many people agree or disagree with your ideas

Everyone please participate

Thank you Prohibitionist for thinking of me and starting this thread. Nice avatar too, I'm flattered by your obvious admiration.

Now, some of the discussed subject matter may be over your head, but you just sit there revving your girly harley and sooner or later we'll get to the part where you can make baseless accusations and flip the checker board over after a sound thrashing.

 

[Rob Roy]

I'd be okay with being a lord of war. Serfs to harvest my ganja and I could trade it for gold, iodized salt, and automatic weapons.

You forgot the dancing slave girls.

 

[Rob Roy]

Is this where we get to call anybody that lives in the real world slaves, rapists and prohibitionists?

I hope to point out your cognitive dissonance too, please don't forget that one.

Also if you are interested in discussing reality, why don't you? Isn't it the reality that your government has as its underlying foundation coercion / capture of the individual rather than actual consent of the individual?

 

[Rob Roy]

@Rob Roy
No government???WTF who will send me my checks for 22 years of service.
who do victims call when they are victimize ? Does this mean we also won't have public schooling anymore. Will the price of using the USPS go up ? How will we do road repairs ? Ok who is going to maintain the Hoover Dam.
I have more questions after these are answered

Let's start with roads. Are you saying that if there were no government based in coercion, that roads would never have existed ?

 

[Rob Roy]

this is your thread Rob plenty of questions and you are the center of attention
My question is:
Can a child consent to sex with an adult as you seem too imply?

You seem unusually focused on that line of questioning, obsessed even. I'd certainly think less of you, if you were trying to diddle the baby sitter.