Oh Goodie! ... More on 911 (inside job) :)

dababydroman said:

its already been proved impossible..

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Exactly what has been proved impossible?

NoDrama said:

Hitler, Mein Kampf

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Notice how history keeps repeating itself. I can't believe how many time people are willing to fall for the same bullshit.

Here are news updates ...
Homeland Security's Michael Chertoff Gets Pounded With 9/11 Questions By C-SPAN Callers
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I wouldn't call it getting pounding ... but there were 3 calls, notice how Chertoff avoided the questions and started making shit up.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html#reaction_rateExplosives Found In World Trade Center Dust
Whereas a cup of conventional thermite will melt a hole clear through a cars engine block,the same quantity of nano-thermite will blow the car apart.
While thermite is classed as an incendiary nano-thermite actually detonates with a force and speed equivalent to TNT!


Charlie Sheen 911 Rant Is Pure Ego
Another hysterical bashing, long on insults, devoid of any actual facts, written by an author who has apparently been spared the ravages of intelligence.


Here's a follow up on the Barry Jennings Story ...

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15201The Mysterious Collapse of WTC Seven and the Mysterious death of Barry Jennings
from Inside WTC 7: Besides ignoring these and other reports of explosions made by people outside Building 7, NIST distorted the testimony of two highly credible men who were inside: Michael Hess, who was New York City’s corporation counsel, and Barry Jennings, the deputy director of the Emergency Services Department of the New York City Housing Authority.

Super patriots WAC are back with a great video ... if you like hip hop you will love the music. Check it ...
The 2nd American Revolution - 9/11 Truth NYC 9-11-2009
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... and here is something interesting about Amy Goodman and Democracy Now ... I do wonder why she won't do a report ... there is definitely a story, but she is under corporate media control, so there is my answer.
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http://www.911blogger.com/node/21395 Amy Goodman challenged over her 9/11 gatekeeping
Rockers will like the music in this one.
She opted to fall back on her textbook answer when dealing with questions about 9/11 by saying she thinks "it needs to be investigated, you know, and we'll continue to look at the issue." Rothe-Kushel then reminded Goodman that it has been investigated and that it was time for her to do her job and have the investigators on her show. After the event, Rothe-Kushel asked David Goodman how best to reach his sister about 9/11 and he responded by saying, "I think you just did." However, almost 6 months later, there still has not been a single mention on Democracy Now of the investigative science and analysis of the 9/11 tragedy. So, Ms. Goodman will continue to be chased with questions about her silence on the seminal story of the semi-new century.

grow you make me want to have your babies

Keenly said:

grow you make me want to have your babies

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Check out this commentary ... NYers won the right to put 911 on the ballot despite NY attempt to stop them.
The March for Answers
The March for Answers is a not just a protest march against further suppression of NYC CAN in its battles with the City of New York City to get the referendum for a new 9/11 investigation on the November ballot.
In this context, think of the city as Mike Bloomberg, who just bought his third term as mayor despite New Yorkers voted twice to limit local elected officials to two terms. Term limits were extended by Bloomberg with a good twist of the arms of the City Council and pushed through. So much for the will of the people.
The Pandora’s box of pollutants it released in the free-fall explosions of the Towers created the most potent toxic site, New York, and America have ever seen. Of course, urging these men and women to work round the clock helped destroy America’s largest crime-scene, clearing it in eight months, not the year and a half allotted for it, sending the metal to China, other debris to Staten Island’s land fill.
I’m talking about a million tons of atomized concrete, plastics, glass, asbestos, heavy metals, which is listed in my article, 9/11’s second round of slaughter – A review of the health effects of 9/11, A film by Heidi Dehncke-Fisher. If you haven’t read this article, you should. As the filmmaker pointed out the pollutants included . . .

• Over 400 tons of asbestos, which once inhaled in any quantity cannot be expelled by the lungs
  
  
• 90,000 liters of jet fuel containing benzene, a carcinogen that suppresses the immune system and causes leukemia
  
  
• Mercury from over 500,000 fluorescent lights that is toxic to the nervous system, and damaging especially to the kidneys
  
  
• 200,000 pounds of lead and cadmium from personal computers, toxic to the respiratory track, especially damaging to kidneys
  
  
• Polycystic aromatic hydrocarbons that cause lung, laryngeal and throat cancers
  
  
• 130,000 gallons of transformer oil with PCBs, causing serious skin rashes and liver damage
  
  
• Crystalline Silica from 420,000 tons of concrete, sheetrock and glass (tiny particulates that lodge in heart, causing ischemic heart disease)

• . . . and so on and on and on . . .

Webmaster's Commentary:
I have a great deal of respect for all the 9-11 truth activists, but calling for a new investigation just gives the government another chance to lie to us, paid for by tax dollars.
I refuse to grant to the government the authority to tell me whether my conclusions about 9-11 are correct or not. I do not need them to tell me I am correct, and this government they will never ever admit error.
WE already know all we need to know. The government lied to the people about 9-11, just as they lied about Saddam's "nookular" bombs, just as they are lying now about Iran.
Calling for a new investigation is just a means to avoid the real issue, which is that the time has come for WE THE PEOPLE to decide what we are going to do about a government that lies to us about ... everything.
Are we going to fire the liars?
Or will you meekly bow down your heads and believe as you are ordered to believe?
One is the path of freedom.

The commentator makes a very valid point, the investigation must be independent and non-partisan. If it's like it was before we will get another white wash at tax payer expense.
http://www.911blogger.com/node/2142707/20/2009 - AIA General Counsel meets with Richard Gage, AIA at the headquarters of the American Institute Of Architects in Washington DC.
On Monday, July 20, 2009, BGM followed Richard Gage, AIA, founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, on the final day of his visit to Washington, D.C.

This just in from youtube from NYCCAN

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... a very important flashback

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/index.htmlFlashback: Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks
Islamic militant leader Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect in last week's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role Sunday in the actions believed to have killed thousands.
In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.
"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

Anyone who thinks 911 was a conspiracy is simply an idiot. Popular Science went through the issue claim by claim and disproved every claim. Plus there is the issue of WTF happened to the missing planes and all the people who died. You think two major airlines would commit economic suicide because Bush asked them to - that's just dumb. Also, every air traffic controller in the world saw the event unfold in real time - can you say "duh!"

BTW, sky scrapers are built to very tight weight tolerances. Losing even 20%-30% of their structural integrity will bring them down. Contrast with the freeway overpass at I75 and 9 Mile road just N of Detroit that was brought down by a tanker truck fire recently. This overpass is meant to hold many times its own weight (far in excess of the WTC) and yet the burning fuel beneath it brought it down with no load on it. This is an overpass designed to hold tens of thousands of tons!!!

Really though - there is no legitimate argument here. 911 was exactly as portrayed - if you think otherwise you need psychological help.

RickWhite said:

Anyone who thinks 911 was a conspiracy is simply an idiot. Popular Science went through the issue claim by claim and disproved every claim. Plus there is the issue of WTF happened to the missing planes and all the people who died. You think two major airlines would commit economic suicide because Bush asked them to - that's just dumb. Also, every air traffic controller in the world saw the event unfold in real time - can you say "duh!"

BTW, sky scrapers are built to very tight weight tolerances. Losing even 20%-30% of their structural integrity will bring them down. Contrast with the freeway overpass at I75 and 9 Mile road just N of Detroit that was brought down by a tanker truck fire recently. This overpass is meant to hold many times its own weight (far in excess of the WTC) and yet the burning fuel beneath it brought it down with no load on it. This is an overpass designed to hold tens of thousands of tons!!!

Really though - there is no legitimate argument here. 911 was exactly as portrayed - if you think otherwise you need psychological help.

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100% BS. Buildings built with in 20% weight tolerances huh? You obviously have not read much of the thread, we have already discussed how each floor was designed to hold 1000% ( 1 thousand) of the weight it actually does hold. Now perhaps your home was built with a 30% weight load tolerance, but this is big time building here that sways over 2 feet when its windy outside, which is approximately 10 times the force of a airliner plowing into it at 600 MPH.

You sir may very well be the idiot, not the truthers. Have you recently checked into professional help?

Popular Science had its ass handed to them by real engineers and scientists. Notice how they stay out of the argumant now a days, can't take that kind of heat you know?

RickWhite said:

Anyone who thinks 911 was a conspiracy is simply an idiot.

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Anyone that thinks buildings design to withstand several plane impacts and fire, can come crashing down in seconds is the real idiot.

RickWhite said:

Popular Science went through the issue claim by claim and disproved every claim.

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Like Drama stated PM was handed their ass on this, but perhaps you'd like to put up the "claim by claim" and lets see if they were disproved.

RickWhite said:

Plus there is the issue of WTF happened to the missing planes and all the people who died.

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Whether or not there were planes or no planes is up to a real investigation to find out ... not us.

RickWhite said:

You think two major airlines would commit economic suicide because Bush asked them to - that's just dumb.

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The airlines are not the issue ... what really happen that day is.

RickWhite said:

Also, every air traffic controller in the world saw the event unfold in real time - can you say "duh!"

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What does that have to do with finding out what really happen that day?

RickWhite said:

BTW, sky scrapers are built to very tight weight tolerances. Losing even 20%-30% of their structural integrity will bring them down.

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If that where the case then more skyscrapers would be crashing down in there own footprint in seconds ... yet the three WTC buildings are the ONLY skyscrapers that has ever happen to in the history of skyscrapers. So it's obvious you are blowing this shit out your ass.

RickWhite said:

Contrast with the freeway overpass at I75 and 9 Mile road just N of Detroit that was brought down by a tanker truck fire recently. This overpass is meant to hold many times its own weight (far in excess of the WTC) and yet the burning fuel beneath it brought it down with no load on it. This is an overpass designed to hold tens of thousands of tons!!!

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The freeway argument was proven bogus long ago in this thread.

RickWhite said:

Really though - there is no legitimate argument here.

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There are plenty of legitimate arguments ... it's not our problem that you are too to see it.

RickWhite said:

911 was exactly as portrayed -

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There is no evidence of that what so ever.

RickWhite said:

if you think otherwise you need psychological help.

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Like Drama said ... it's you who need the help.

Check it out folks ... of course this wouldn't fit in with rick fantasy.

The 9/11 Commission Rejects own Report as Based on Government Lies
The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue.

“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years.

The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say... “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . " When Bush's own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done?

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/09/top-down-demolition.htmlNew Video Shows that Demolitions are Sometimes Top-Down
One of the main arguments defenders of the official story have made against the controlled demolition of the Twin Towers is that demolitions never start at the top of the building. In other words, they claim that demolitions always start at the bottom and proceed upwards.
However, a new video shows an example of a top-down demolition of another building:
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still waiting for the link that shows members of the first 9/11 commission saying it was bullshit.

Doubt I'll see it though.

Edit: Saw that "article" above. It read like a book report to me...

Sure seemed like that's what it was...

I'd love to see an AP report, not some random no name website saying what a book is about.

looks like your asking someone to investigate for you? Sometimes when growrebel post something in RED it's a link! Look up Wayyy up...

Hey, someone else said they saw that, so I asked for a link.

It was finally provided after weeks.

Sorry, the onus is on them to prove their side, not me.

My bad too, was trying to edit my post when I lost connection. I only seen it after I looked back up and clicked it. That book would probably be a very interesting read.

It's all good, my man.

9/11 Commission Members Doubt Official 9/11 Story
Senator Max Cleland, who resigned from the 9/11 Commission after calling it a “national scandal”,
In 2006 the Washington Post reported that several members of the 9/11 Commission suspected deception on part of the Pentagon.
9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerry also has unanswered questions. As reported by Salon, he believes that there are legitimate reasons to believe an alternative version to the official story.
Commissioner Tim Roemer, speaking to CNN, stated that Commission members were considering a criminal probe of false statements.
Nuff said
Here's another interesting article on the report ... it was written back in 2004 so I'm sure some things have changed or revealed since then.
[SIZE=+1]The 911 Commission Report is Full of Holes[/SIZE]
The official 911 Report (7mb pdf) is so full of holes, all you need is common sense to see through their lies- and it doesn’t take 585 pages to prove that this a cover-up... using their own document- and a few audio clips they ’forgot’ to investigate. (footnotes are pdf page # -not printed page)

I have to just laugh at this point. Every so called "fact" you guys pull out of your ass has been disproved over and over again. No real scientists back the 911 conspiracy and nobody ever showed that anything in the book written by the popular science guys had a single flaw because it doesn't. Real scientists have explained over and over that all your theories are wrong. Your theories are just as ridiculous as denying the Holocaust or insisting the world is flat. Honestly, can you guys not see that there isn't a shred of evidence to back up these idiotic ideas and that all the so called facts you come up with are simply made up. Do everyone a favor and go get psychological help.

Really, you guys should be banned from this forum to maintain its integrity.

RickWhite said:

I have to just laugh at this point. Every so called "fact" you guys pull out of your ass has been disproved over and over again. No real scientists back the 911 conspiracy and nobody ever showed that anything in the book written by the popular science guys had a single flaw because it doesn't. Real scientists have explained over and over that all your theories are wrong. Your theories are just as ridiculous as denying the Holocaust or insisting the world is flat. Honestly, can you guys not see that there isn't a shred of evidence to back up these idiotic ideas and that all the so called facts you come up with are simply made up. Do everyone a favor and go get psychological help.

Really, you guys should be banned from this forum to maintain its integrity.

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LOL. Yep we take everything you say at face value which is exactly zero, since you provide NOTHING to substantiate your claims we always win the argument. How many arguments are you going to lose before you stop posting? You can write whatever you want, but if you bring nothing to the table then well your just letting words fall out of your mouth.

Teh Win!!

RickWhite said:

I have to just laugh at this point.

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Apparently that's all you can do. It's obvious you can't dispute any of the evidence posted in this thread, otherwise you would have.

RickWhite said:

Every so called "fact" you guys pull out of your ass has been disproved over and over again.

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Yeah you keep "saying" that, but I don't see you bringing up anything specific and showing how it was disproved ...want to know why? ... because you can't.

RickWhite said:

No real scientists back the 911 conspiracy

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Ah ... there are several ... and their statements and names have been posted in this thread.

RickWhite said:

and nobody ever showed that anything in the book written by the popular science guys had a single flaw because it doesn't.

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Wrong again ... and there are links in this thread proving so.

RickWhite said:

Real scientists have explained over and over that all your theories are wrong.

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Such as?

RickWhite said:

Your theories are just as ridiculous as denying the Holocaust or insisting the world is flat.

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There is nothing ridiculous about skyscrapers falling into their own footprint in a few seconds, when it's a scientific fact what happen was physically impossible ... nor are any of the other unanswered questions about that day which has also been posted in this thread ridiculous.

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Honestly, can you guys not see that there isn't a shred of evidence to back up these idiotic ideas

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Oh yeah, you are right ... if you are referring to the government's conspiracy theory ...

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and that all the so called facts you come up with are simply made up.

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such as?

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Do everyone a favor and go get psychological help.

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You need to follow your own advice if you buy the government's story ... fortunately you are a minority.

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Really, you guys should be banned from this forum to maintain its integrity.

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For asking questions? For wanting to know what really happened on 911? How long have you hated America?

NoDrama said:

LOL. Yep we take everything you say at face value which is exactly zero, since you provide NOTHING to substantiate your claims we always win the argument. How many arguments are you going to lose before you stop posting? You can write whatever you want, but if you bring nothing to the table then well your just letting words fall out of your mouth.

Teh Win!!

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LOL, yeah, that was pretty much total pwnage. sometimes I don't know whether to kiss you, slap you, or both. This time is different.

<3

This is a conspiracy "theory" I can get behind.

RickWhite said:

I have to just laugh at this point. Every so called "fact" you guys pull out of your ass has been disproved over and over again. No real scientists back the 911 conspiracy and nobody ever showed that anything in the book written by the popular science guys had a single flaw because it doesn't. Real scientists have explained over and over that all your theories are wrong. Your theories are just as ridiculous as denying the Holocaust or insisting the world is flat. Honestly, can you guys not see that there isn't a shred of evidence to back up these idiotic ideas and that all the so called facts you come up with are simply made up. Do everyone a favor and go get psychological help.

Really, you guys should be banned from this forum to maintain its integrity.

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looks like the ONLY research you have done is on this thread.... Why dont YOU go tell the 700 REAL scientist, architect's , eye witness's ECT..... That they are stupid or "need help" . by the way I have NEVER mentioned a "theory"
ONLY FACTS. and if u believe the facts aint real then u are the theorist.
You said our facts have been proven wrong ? WHERE, WHO AND WHEN ????.........................................................
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still waiting ?
The official report says there were NO explosives in wtc7 but yet multiple people seen and heard the explosions and when barry jennings (stuck in building 7 because of explosion), who along with michael hess ,stated on 9/11/01 ,after they were rescued , that there were explosions in wtc 7 and that they were blown from the 6th floor to the 8th floor, and trapped inside the building for hours, that supossedly had no explosives inside it????? In Aug 08 Jennings decided to release his story, He asked that the story not be released, but a few weeks later bbc realesed the story. In Aug of 08 they also realesed the NIST report and out of no where 2 days before the NIST report was to be released, the healthy 53 year old jennings was reported dead and still to this day they have not released a cause of death?????????? wtf then michael hess ,who made the same statement on 9/11, said after the bbc release of the jennings story, that he never said anything about explosions in wtc 7???? huh, sounds like hess was scared for his life so he changed his story up. Thats just one example, i could sit here all day and throw FACTS at you, but you will just say its a made up youtube storys so why are YOU even here ?What is your argument ????

PLEASE i am begging you to PROVE ANYTHING we have said on this ENTIRE thread to be false..................................................
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ya know, i was watching the 911 chronicles again the other day



one of the first responding firefighters mentioned he and several other firefighters, while running out of the building from explosions (yeah thats right, explosions with fireballs coming DOWN the elevator)


they stumbled across a body in a closet


thats kind of fishy

"why is there a body in the closet" they asked



my best guess would be the man saw something he shouldnt have or he asked too many questions