Oh Goodie! ... More on 911 (inside job) :)

fdd2blk said:

so if a contractor knows shit about engineering, how the fuck do you know anything about buildings falling? can i please see YOUR credentials?

legos don't count.



you are defeating your own argument. you do realize that don't you? we are not allowed to accept the opinion of a person who builds homes, but we should listen to you? lol

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I never said you aren't allowed to accept his opinion. I was merely pointing out that building homes does not make a person an expert (or even an authority) on the building of skyscrapers - Just as building spacecraft out of Legos does not prepare me for a job with NASA.

That's like saying you know all about how donuts are made because you eat cookies.

If you want to rely on someone's opinion as "expert testimony" because they are involved in a completely unrelated and incomparable building trade, be my guest.

If that same person had said "I think 9/11 was an inside job. I know from experience all about skyscrapers because I build houses for a living" I would have the exact same problems with that statement. the fact that his opinion differs from mine is irrelevant. It would have been just as dumb of a statement if it came from someone on the conspiracy side of the debate.

wyteboi said:

It seemed to work VERY well ! Had they cleared the area first it would have been safe as demo.
why dont you follow YOUR own fuckin directions and quit using "circular reasoning"
You are going by what a few people say(is that not "circular reasoning")......I am going by what I fucking seen with my own eyes AND what thousands of engineers and scientist are saying.

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dude, dropping buildings with fire is unsafe and unpredictable. are you really arguing this?

doobnVA said:

I never said you aren't allowed to accept his opinion. I was merely pointing out that building homes does not make a person an expert (or even an authority) on the building of skyscrapers - Just as building spacecraft out of Legos does not prepare me for a job with NASA.

That's like saying you know all about how donuts are made because you eat cookies.

If you want to rely on someone's opinion as "expert testimony" because they are involved in a completely unrelated and incomparable building trade, be my guest.

If that same person had said "I think 9/11 was an inside job. I know from experience all about skyscrapers because I build houses for a living" I would have the exact same problems with that statement. the fact that his opinion differs from mine is irrelevant. It would have been just as dumb of a statement if it came from someone on the conspiracy side of the debate.

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this is as far as i read because you are a LIAR!!!!!! you mocked and mocked and got your little friends to mock right along with you. now you try to deny it? you people need help.

doobnVA said:

I never said you aren't allowed to accept his opinion. I was merely pointing out that building homes does not make a person an expert (or even an authority) on the building of skyscrapers - Just as building spacecraft out of Legos does not prepare me for a job with NASA.

That's like saying you know all about how donuts are made because you eat cookies.

If you want to rely on someone's opinion as "expert testimony" because they are involved in a completely unrelated and incomparable building trade, be my guest.

If that same person had said "I think 9/11 was an inside job. I know from experience all about skyscrapers because I build houses for a living" I would have the exact same problems with that statement. the fact that his opinion differs from mine is irrelevant. It would have been just as dumb of a statement if it came from someone on the conspiracy side of the debate.

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and NO it is NOT like any of what you are saying it is. comparing building house to buildings is not the same as eating cookies and knowing everything about donuts.

how come every time i run into you i walk away thinking you are a complete idiot?

fdd2blk said:

they won't let me say a contractor knows a little bit about engineering, but a tree and a huge building are apparently the exact same thing.


i'm starting to understand the term "nut job".

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I am a contractor and i do know VERY LITTLE about engineering BUT its not enough to make a HUGE decision like that one!
and yes i am a nut job *fdd on the floor rolling* but that has nothing to do with how them buildings were brought down and you know it. fdd i know your just havin a lil fun with us "nut jobs" but i also know that you are not stupid! deep ,deep down in the inner fdd , You KNOW them buildings were controlled demo. Any nut job with common sense SEEN that them buildings should have "toppled" a lil more then they did ............That i think is grade 4 science.
*fdd thinking to himself....WOW, this guy is the real deal...... strait outta the nut house*

wb

ut oh, someone fucked this site all up, ... http://www.structuremag.org/article.aspx?articleID=505

wyteboi said:

I am a contractor and i do know VERY LITTLE about engineering BUT its not enough to make a HUGE decision like that one!
and yes i am a nut job *fdd on the floor rolling* but that has nothing to do with how them buildings were brought down and you know it. fdd i know your just havin a lil fun with us "nut jobs" but i also know that you are not stupid! deep ,deep down in the inner fdd , You KNOW them buildings were controlled demo. Any nut job with common sense SEEN that them buildings should have "toppled" a lil more then they did ............That i think is grade 4 science.
*fdd thinking to himself....WOW, this guy is the real deal...... strait outta the nut house*

wb

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you know? wow, you would think you'd be an engineer, if you were so insightful.

Let's consider a moment that we all believe the attack was carried out by Al-Qaeda. What is the tactical purpose of making a public announcement pretty much right off the bat that Al-Qaeda was the perpetrator? Isn't this kind of the opposite of what's normally done? I mean, if you tell the bad guy you're onto him, he usually runs away before you can catch him, right? And why, when a "confession" from Al-Qaeda finally surfaced, why didn't the guy look anything like Bin Laden? Why wasn't there an investigation right from the start? I mean, you announce who the bad guy was before the "confession", and without any investigation? That would be considered really shoddy work by any local police department, and we all know they don't exactly have the highest regard for procedure, standards, etc.

Let's look at motive, too. Who stands to benefit from this attack? Well, certainly not Al-Qaeda. George Bush? Well, he got to go to war, didn't he? I'm convinced that this was pretty much all he wanted out of the presidency right from the get-go. His war made a lot of his buddies very rich, at the expense of pretty much everyone else in the country. Look what we're left with: shitty economy, a neverending and seemingly un-winnable war, more Americans living in poverty than before, higher taxes, increased fear and mistrust of our government...well, I hope you get the point. The guy who had the most to gain and the least to lose was obviously the same guy who owned the WTC buildings in question.

Anyway, if there was actually any solid evidence that the attacks were carried out by Al-Qaeda, I'd be inclined to believe it. The problem is, there just isn't any. All the evidence that does exist seems to point towards the glaring reality of a cover-up, which means that we were lied to. What do most people do when they think they've been lied to? Well, they try to figure out the truth.

fdd2blk said:

this is as far as i read because you are a LIAR!!!!!! you mocked and mocked and got your little friends to mock right along with you. now you try to deny it? you people need help.

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Calm down. The dude said he BUILDS houses. This is a job commonly known as "construction worker". Construction workers are not engineers. Architects (who design buildings) are engineers.

Construction workers can typically be found looking for work outside your local Home Depot store.

Not trying to pick on you, just trying to get you to slow down and think before you post.

doobnVA said:

Calm down. The dude said he BUILDS houses. This is a job commonly known as "construction worker". Construction workers are not engineers. Architects (who design buildings) are engineers.

Construction workers can typically be found looking for work outside your local Home Depot store.

Not trying to pick on you, just trying to get you to slow down and think before you post.

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stereotype much?

wyteboi said:

I am a contractor and i do know VERY LITTLE about engineering BUT its not enough to make a HUGE decision like that one!
and yes i am a nut job *fdd on the floor rolling* but that has nothing to do with how them buildings were brought down and you know it. fdd i know your just havin a lil fun with us "nut jobs" but i also know that you are not stupid! deep ,deep down in the inner fdd , You KNOW them buildings were controlled demo. Any nut job with common sense SEEN that them buildings should have "toppled" a lil more then they did ............That i think is grade 4 science.
*fdd thinking to himself....WOW, this guy is the real deal...... strait outta the nut house*

wb

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doob just called you a stupid mexican.

fdd2blk said:

doob just called you a stupid mexican.

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to that one,

fdd2blk said:

stereotype much?

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Obviously you do. I didn't say anything about Mexicans, did i?

RickWhite said:

The thing I find most ridiculous about this thread and the whole 911 conspiracy is that so many people that have no background in physics or engineering try to take such a complex scenario and figure it out based on their layman's intuition. I refuse to see how anyone could be that simplistic in their thought process as to believe this is possible. Even when we look at the teeny tiny handful of "scientists" that support these theories we find they have no actual experience in this particular field of study. Everything else is merely one fallacy after the next. We see circular reasoning, begging the question, appeal to popular belief, etc...

What I find intriguing is that people can possibly be that woefully incapable of looking at something and making a sound, rational analysis about what they see. My theory on this is that the ability to think is something some have and some lack and that we have no objective way of measuring it at this point in time. Quite fascinating IMO.

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Umm rick? What you fail to realize is this. NO ONE is an expert on steel buildings falling over because of fire. Do you know why? Because it had never happened before or since because steel framed buildings do not fall over from normal fires period.

Here is a demo expert telling you that WTC#7 is a demo..

Unprejudiced Demo Expert.

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fdd2blk said:

hun, it only works downwards. you can't cut sideways with it. it would just drip off the side and hit the floor.

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Really? If they could cut sideways with WATER do you think they could do it with Nano Thermite?

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mexiblunt said:

WTC #7 was not hit by a plane! It's the engineers that say fire brought that building down Rick not me. I just thought that if that's possible why not do it regularly? Seems somewhat logical no? easier faster cheaper. Yes I question the official report, you talk as if #7 doesn't exist. or didn't sorry. If you look at just that building alone your whole post and points don't apply.

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RickWhite said:

Gee I don't know, maybe because it isn't safe? Is it really possible for someone to be that monumentally stupid that they would contemplate setting skyscrapers in downtown Manhattan on fire in order to bring them down?

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That would be monumentally stupid! And it isn't safe. And nowhere did I say that's something I would do. Not where it isn't safe anyway. I'm sure there are other reason for it to not be safe too, and I apologize for sharing one of my what's next thoughts. Sometimes because I'm often on both sides of the fence but never sure I just think what's next like fdd sometimes says. You convinced me. what's next?

That's just one that I posted because Rick telling us about planes and jet fuel and temps etc. I can believe 1+2 came down from the planes,damage,fuel etc. And somehow the only hard evidence of who did it was a passport that survived. I'm still undecided. I have a hard time with #7 and the pentagon. What's on the pentagon tapes that are being held confidential? I know it could be anything, but it surly can't be video of a plane flying into it that they don't want us to see? It these "little" things that get me sometimes.

NoDrama said:

Really? If they could cut sideways with WATER do you think they could do it with Nano Thermite?

[youtube]ENfxqvKoIaE[/youtube]

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nano thermite burns, you posted a video of explosions.

mexiblunt said:

Thermite seems common, but what about this stuff?
Nano-thermite
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nano-thermite is the common name of a subset of metastable intermolecular composites (MICs) characterized by a highly exothermic reaction after ignition. Nano-thermites contain an oxidizer and a reducing agent, which are intimately mixed on the nanometer scale. MICs, including nano-thermitic materials, are a type of reactive materials investigated for military use, as well as in applications in propellants, explosives, and pyrotechnics.
What separates MICs from traditional thermites is that the oxidizer and a reducing agent, normally iron oxide and aluminium are not a fine powder, but rather nanoparticles. This dramatically increases the reactivity relative to micrometre-sized powder thermite. As the mass transport mechanisms that slow down the burning rates of traditional thermites are not so important at these scales, the reactions become kinetically controlled and much faster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nano-thermite

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there more on it in the wiki.

WOW doobnva your a truther.

I thought you were intelligent


I thought the same thing about Crackerjax until he outed himself as a 'birther"


Same irrational behavior different side of the spectrum.

(scratches head)