OHO (organic hash oil)

Dan Kone · Oct 15, 2015

hyroot said:
You are using a man made chemical solvent therefore not organic. It's that plain and simple. Making wine you don't really add anything you just ferment grapes. So that analogy is invalid. Unless you made the ethyl yourself with potatoes or grains or what not. Then it's not organic.

I believe the confusion in this thread comes from different uses of the word "organic". You are using the Whole Foods definition of the word while other people are using the chemistry definition. However even under the whole foods definition of the word,butane was once a living thing which makes it organic no matter how you look at it. They call it a FOSSIL FUEL for a reason. Those fossils may have not been alive for along time, but they were once living things. If that's not good enough the fact that it's a hydrocarbon should be.

Either way, I'm confused on how fermenting grapes is "more organic" than refining hydrocarbons.

Mr.CrumWell · Oct 15, 2015

Dan Kone said:
I believe the confusion in this thread comes from different uses of the word "organic". You are using the Whole Foods definition of the word while other people are using the chemistry definition. However even under the whole foods definition of the word,butane was once a living thing which makes it organic no matter how you look at it. They call it a FOSSIL FUEL for a reason. Those fossils may have not been alive for along time, but they were once living things. If that's not good enough the fact that it's a hydrocarbon should be.

Either way, I'm confused on how fermenting grapes is "more organic" than refining hydrocarbons.

well the thing is we never get pure butane there is always other things in those cans or cylinders there are not sold as organic and i have never ever seen an organic label on any butane. also I'm sure there in non organic things added to it especially with the cans that are for torch use. they put in a lubricant for the torch.

fermenting organic grapes with non GMO yeast is more organic then any petroleum distillation out there. think about what it takes to pump it out of the ground and all the non organic things used. its not like we are getting a pure butane. what if the ground is contaminated where they are pumping? you find sulfur in almost every butane out there when you send it to the lab.

im not sure how there could be such confusion comparing organic alcohol to butane.

is there even a reason to compare purity.. I'm mean butane.. really?

look i just made a really nice run of live resin BHO .. I'm actually about to dab some.. i do it all.. that being said i don't let my love for BHO confuse my knowledge of which is a more clean pure and organic option.

i think the main problem is you guys have yet to smoke this style and when you try proper OHO you know its purity to be a step above BHO PHO.

MJtheIndicator · Oct 15, 2015

200 proof ethanol is ideal, but ethanol can't be distilled to that proof, more often benzene is used to remove the final vestiges of water. Hypothetically, pure ethanol is poison.

Ethylene hydration or brewing produces an ethanol/water mixture. For most industrial and fuel uses, the ethanol must be purified. Fractional distillation can concentrate ethanol to 95.6% by volume (89.5 mole%). This mixture is an azeotrope with a boiling point of 78.1 °C (172.6 °F), and cannot be further purified by distillation. Addition of an entraining agent, such as benzene, cyclohexane, or heptane, allows a new ternary azeotrope comprising the ethanol, water, and the entraining agent to be formed. This lower-boiling ternary azeotrope is removed preferentially, leading to water-free ethanol.

Benzene is a natural constituent of crude oil, and is one of the most elementary petrochemicals.

R&RHashman · Oct 16, 2015

hmmmm maybe not as "organic" as some thought either way claiming this Tech is game changing and the best "organic" method out there is always a bad idea. every last extraction has its up side and down side even just smoking flower has ups and downs.

Grow Goddess · Oct 16, 2015

lio lacidem said:
I definately may try the natural decarb. Sounds interesting to me.....I do have a question tho.. in two of your posts you said about people scamming patients with risined buds. I dont see many people buying. Squished flattened buds but I guess someone could try and resell them

There are desperate people out there that will buy anything. If the buds are good enough, even after being abused, they would still be considered premium bud on the black market. I just couldn't do that to people. Those buds have been heated and squeezed of essential medicinal qualities. (Not what I would want to smoke).

cannakis · Oct 17, 2015

Mr.CrumWell said:
THIS THREAD IS ABOUT OHO PLZ NO BHO, PHO, OR C02 POSTS. PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL TO OTHERS AND LETS KEEP THIS THREAD POSITIVE AND INTELLIGENT.

THANK YOU!

Ok lets get it… I'm going to release my OHO tech to the public. some of this may be new to some and others will understand right away what I'm talking about. please leave your attitude and negativity at the door. this will be a sirius discussion.

OHO (organic hash oil) is a non petroleum based absolute oil. i prefer to use organically sun grown flowers to start.

-WHAT YOU NEED-

-organic hash with no leaf.. NO LEAF! we are talking full melt kief, bubble, or rosin.

-kleen xtract 200 proof organic lab grade alcohol.
^http://www.kleenxtract.com/#about

-deep freezer or dry ice dewax chambers

-lab filter kit or just some coffee filters (vacuum filter kit can make large loads go a ton faster)
^http://www.amazon.com/500ml-Vacuum-Filter-Hand-Pump/dp/B004QXWWI0

-mason jars

-incubator or a box with a fan pulling air through it for drying. you can use a vacuum oven or chamber as well.
^http://www.amazon.com/Lab-Companion-AAA26501-Stacking-Incubator/dp/B00CF3VOZ0/ref=sr_1_1?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1443162891&sr=1-1&keywords=incubator

STEP 1

-MAKE HASH TO MAKE OIL-

what you start with is what you end up with

full melt kief and bubble hash works best i find.
there are plenty of threads on how to make really good dry sift and bubble but if you have any questions on what i use and how i make my kief just ask.

i like to use weed that is sun grown. i think that artificial lighting is not an organic source of light there fore making indoor not fully organic.. but thats a debate for another time.

(DO NOT USE A PETROLEUM BASED SOLVENT HASH THATS NOT ORGANIC)

STEP 2

-THE MELT DOWN-

take your FIRE melt put it in a mason

pour the kleen in until its 2-3 inches over the top of hash

stir and let dissolve all the way.

even if your hash wasn't FIRE and the solution is green don't worry it will be bomb. just try and filter as much as you can

filter through vacuum filter with paper filters or coffee filters

pour the oil/alcohol mixture in a fresh clean jar

the left over dust from the hash is not very smokable trust me most of the goodness got sucked out.

STEP 3

-winterization -

this step is very important to get an absolute oil from your solution.

put the jar of oil/alcohol in the deep freezer for a few days

you will notice a layer of dust at the bottom of the jar

pour slowly through your filters again

repeat the freeze and filter process as many times as it takes for nothing to form in your solution.

you can use a closed loop bho system with a proper dewax column and filters to get it extra pure if you have one available after you freeze the solution.

STEP 4

-MILKING the solution-

at this point your ready to put your solution into the final dish you will be collecting from.

once you have it where you want it ( i like parchment paper in a dish or a big no goo silicone dish) place it in your incubator or box with a fan. you can cut up a cooler and put an in and out fan or even a cardboard box.
air flow increases dry time a TON.

keep checking your solution. when it gets low there will be a milky watery looking layer form. i have seen it all kinds of colors depending on strain and what your extracting. i have seen yellow purple pink crazy colors. pour this layer off and save it. you can use fractal distillation to recover terps from it. but thats for a whole other thread. remove all the milky liquid (been thinning about doing multiple washes to see how many milky layers i can remove)

STEP 5

-FINAL DRY-

at this point you can basically let it sit in your incubator or under a fan or in a vacuum oven until its purged all the way. i will admit though any vacuum pressure that i apply seems to effect the flavor. i think its best left to sit in an incubator at 90-98 degrees till its done.

STEP 6

SMOKE TIME!

Time to blow your mind on this natural dab. its like smoking flower but a dab at the same time. i have been making and smoking 0PPM lab tested BHO for 7+ years and I'm telling you right now you will know the difference when you hit this. i don't care how clean your BHO or PHO is when you hit this you will be able to tell the difference from petroleum based extracts

This is the cheapest most stripped down how to just to get every one started. if you want me details or advanced tips just ask.

HMU on instagram as well

https://instagram.com/organic_hash_oil
https://instagram.com/mr.crumwell/

AND! remember! Mr.CrumWell started OHO but was not stingy about sharing it with every one

Damn! Yeah dats right!

Is that your company? KleenExtract? See we should just All be able to distill our own shine then we can make Pure Goodness!

Grow Goddess · Oct 17, 2015

I see the conversation is strongly leaning to organic vs non-organic?
There are many good opinions. I take great pride in growing my plants organic and it comes with a great cost. I mix my soil using raw materials and it is a lot of work. The most important thing is whether or not the end product is safe and does it carry all of the potential medicinal qualities. I have seen BHO 99.9% pure, but that was made with industrial butane. I have seen that there are multiple different methods to produce 200 proof pure alcohol. I would like to know which method KleenXtract uses to achieve their 200 proof.

Really, the big difference in opinions here is whether you plan to eat the oil or smoke/vape it. For me, it is all about ingesting. Smoking/vaping is extremely wasteful compared to ingesting.

If anyone is concerned about negative additives and want their extract truly 100% organic without losing medicinal properties. This simple method has all methods beat. Naturally decarbed buds. I can't even handle eating a 1/2 joint worth of my SpaceDawg strain which is naturally decarbed after being stored for over 6 months in a sealed jar kept in a cool dark place. Actually, it is about a year old now. With my experimenting on naturally decarbing buds, it takes a minimum of 4 to 6 months for me, depending on the strain. I just roll a joint, cut it into pill size pieces and swallow with a glass of water. My only complaint with naturally decarbed buds is the buzz can hit in 1 hour, but sometimes it is not felt for 6 hours. If you want to be buzzed all the time, no problem. Just eat a joint per day and you have no worries of when it will hit you. The most potent strain I have tried of naturally decarbed buds is the pheno of SpaceDawg that I have.

qwizoking · Oct 17, 2015

this thread is rediculous

Grow Goddess · Oct 17, 2015

qwizoking said:
this thread is rediculous

ridiculous? Please point out where and how it is ridiculous.

I don't recommend it, but must admit that this method of oil making is the most organic, even though it is the most damaging method medicinally speaking.

The best I can do to possibly back up your claim is say that it is not about the oil and organic, it is about the buds. I am 100% confident the best oil comes from the best buds period. No if, ands, or buts.

These are some older pictures, I have been doing much better lately.

Feel free to show us yours.

qwizoking · Oct 17, 2015

my "claim" was that this thread was rediculous.
not sure how to even respond to your post

Dan Kone · Oct 18, 2015

Mr.CrumWell said:
well the thing is we never get pure butane there is always other things in those cans or cylinders there are not sold as organic and i have never ever seen an organic label on any butane. also I'm sure there in non organic things added to it especially with the cans that are for torch use. they put in a lubricant for the torch.

fermenting organic grapes with non GMO yeast is more organic then any petroleum distillation out there. think about what it takes to pump it out of the ground and all the non organic things used. its not like we are getting a pure butane. what if the ground is contaminated where they are pumping? you find sulfur in almost every butane out there when you send it to the lab.

im not sure how there could be such confusion comparing organic alcohol to butane.

is there even a reason to compare purity.. I'm mean butane.. really?

look i just made a really nice run of live resin BHO .. I'm actually about to dab some.. i do it all.. that being said i don't let my love for BHO confuse my knowledge of which is a more clean pure and organic option.

i think the main problem is you guys have yet to smoke this style and when you try proper OHO you know its purity to be a step above BHO PHO.

That's not what the word organic means by any definition.

Alcohol in nearly every situation is less pure than butane. Much easier to get a pure or near pure butane than get 99%+ alcohol.

Also, butane is non-toxic, alcohol can be toxic. I'm not sure where the stigma attached to butane comes from, but it's no less healthy than alcohol.

Dan Kone · Oct 18, 2015

Grow Goddess said:
Really, the big difference in opinions here is whether you plan to eat the oil or smoke/vape it. For me, it is all about ingesting. Smoking/vaping is extremely wasteful compared to ingesting.

If the only thing you're going for is efficiency at ingesting thc then you are correct. However a lot of people (myself included) find 11-H thc extremely unpleasant. Even with sugar based candies or subs you still end up with that 11-h high after a while. Smoking/vaping is the only way for me.

Grow Goddess · Oct 19, 2015

Dan Kone said:
If the only thing you're going for is efficiency at ingesting thc then you are correct. However a lot of people (myself included) find 11-H thc extremely unpleasant. Even with sugar based candies or subs you still end up with that 11-h high after a while. Smoking/vaping is the only way for me.

I can agree, but also disagree. I don't find narrowing it down to the type of THC appropriate. I suppose it is in the equation, but there are things that are not being taken into consideration. I think you are highly underestimating the terpenes and the complexity of them. It is not the THC, it is the terpenes that create the extended effects in more than one way. It has been proven. There are certain terpenes that cause an anti-buzz effect. Different strains have different effects when you add the terpenes into the equation. There are 144 known terpenes in the cannabis plant. We are not even talking about the CBDs. None of really know for sure what is going on, it is all science, a best guess. The patients who have tried my oil agree with me.

Everybody is different and has their own likes and dislikes. One of my patients did demonstrate that to me. He was able to consume more oil than anyone I know! LOL

Otherwise, I see where you are coming from. There are some serious differences and I can see people liking different methods over others. I just try to look at is as what is potentially the most medicinal.

cannakis · Oct 20, 2015

Mr.CrumWell said:
well the thing is we never get pure butane there is always other things in those cans or cylinders there are not sold as organic and i have never ever seen an organic label on any butane. also I'm sure there in non organic things added to it especially with the cans that are for torch use. they put in a lubricant for the torch.

fermenting organic grapes with non GMO yeast is more organic then any petroleum distillation out there. think about what it takes to pump it out of the ground and all the non organic things used. its not like we are getting a pure butane. what if the ground is contaminated where they are pumping? you find sulfur in almost every butane out there when you send it to the lab.

im not sure how there could be such confusion comparing organic alcohol to butane.

is there even a reason to compare purity.. I'm mean butane.. really?

look i just made a really nice run of live resin BHO .. I'm actually about to dab some.. i do it all.. that being said i don't let my love for BHO confuse my knowledge of which is a more clean pure and organic option.

i think the main problem is you guys have yet to smoke this style and when you try proper OHO you know its purity to be a step above BHO PHO.

Mister Crummwell!

How did you go about making your bho Charris/Live Resin?! This is my main goal but hear you Have to keep the butane frozen through your Most of the process...?!

And for all of you who think that "organic" alcohol is Not organic, then what Is it if it's made strictly from vegetable matter I stead of being vacuumed and pumped from the bowels of the earth!?!

For Hundreds of years people distilled their on Alcohol for fuel, medicine, cleaning, it was ONLY The Past 150+ years that they have been pumping oil from the ground and refining it.! Not that petroleum doesn't have benefits considering you can synthesize Anything from it! BUT! Anything petroleum regardless that it came from the earth and was living does Not make it "organic" and I mean just because I may have some organic substances that deteriorate into Deadly Chemicals does Not mean it's "organic" and safe to use. But Pure Distilled Alcohol made from organic matter Is "organic"...

cannakis · Oct 20, 2015

Dan Kone said:
That's not what the word organic means by any definition.

Alcohol in nearly every situation is less pure than butane. Much easier to get a pure or near pure butane than get 99%+ alcohol.

Also, butane is non-toxic, alcohol can be toxic. I'm not sure where the stigma attached to butane comes from, but it's no less healthy than alcohol.

So you're telling me you could Drink butane and be fine!?! Hahaha yeah right. Upload the video and let's all watch..,!

R&RHashman · Oct 20, 2015

so what happened to this being a helpful thread? lots of boastful information and down talking going on from both sides yet I have not seen any helpful information. and to be honest is not rosin the only way to make true organic hash oil? no solvents? not solvent free but solvent less. OHO is just a winterized concentrate right?

Dan Kone · Oct 21, 2015

cannakis said:
So you're telling me you could Drink butane and be fine!?! Hahaha yeah right. Upload the video and let's all watch..,!

No. You would not be fine. It would go from liquid to gas inside your digestive system. It would also likely freeze your digestive system resulting in a painful death. You can't drink liquid butane for the same reason you can't drink liquid nitrogen. However like nitrogen breathing it is completely harmless as far as any scientific study ever done including studies on long term constant exposure cited by the CDC/NIH.

Dan Kone · Oct 21, 2015

Grow Goddess said:
I can agree, but also disagree. I don't find narrowing it down to the type of THC appropriate. I suppose it is in the equation, but there are things that are not being taken into consideration. I think you are highly underestimating the terpenes and the complexity of them. It is not the THC, it is the terpenes that create the extended effects in more than one way. It has been proven. There are certain terpenes that cause an anti-buzz effect. Different strains have different effects when you add the terpenes into the equation. There are 144 known terpenes in the cannabis plant. We are not even talking about the CBDs. None of really know for sure what is going on, it is all science, a best guess. The patients who have tried my oil agree with me.

Everybody is different and has their own likes and dislikes. One of my patients did demonstrate that to me. He was able to consume more oil than anyone I know! LOL

Otherwise, I see where you are coming from. There are some serious differences and I can see people liking different methods over others. I just try to look at is as what is potentially the most medicinal.

I'm very aware of the effects of terpenes. I've been conducting an on going long term project of identifying unique terpene effects. I started the project in Jan 2014 and since then have ordered terpene tests on over 900 samples. I do understand the difference between effects provided by terpenes and cannabinoids.

11-h thc gives you a very unique high that is very different from normal d9 thc. You can actually compare them with a blank slate terpene wise with co2 oil or dual solvent dewaxed concentrates. In those forms of extracts the only terpene remaining will be b-caryophyllene which is the common denominator in all cannabis. Due to having a boiling point similar to thc it's the only terpene likely to survive an edible decarb process as well. You will not get terpenes which provide unique effects such as linalool, terpinolene, a-pinene, etc with either edibles nor co2 oil. So it's pretty fair to compare the high you get from smoking co2 oil to edibles. If you compare the two you'll notice it is a unique high you get from edibles that you do not get from co2 oil.

It's more psychedelic. It has the potential to cause more anxiety in certain individuals. It's processed by your body differently creating a more drawn out peak. Edibles aren't for everyone.

Grow Goddess · Oct 22, 2015

Dan Kone said:
I'm very aware of the effects of terpenes. I've been conducting an on going long term project of identifying unique terpene effects. I started the project in Jan 2014 and since then have ordered terpene tests on over 900 samples. I do understand the difference between effects provided by terpenes and cannabinoids.

11-h thc gives you a very unique high that is very different from normal d9 thc. You can actually compare them with a blank slate terpene wise with co2 oil or dual solvent dewaxed concentrates. In those forms of extracts the only terpene remaining will be b-caryophyllene which is the common denominator in all cannabis. Due to having a boiling point similar to thc it's the only terpene likely to survive an edible decarb process as well. You will not get terpenes which provide unique effects such as linalool, terpinolene, a-pinene, etc with either edibles nor co2 oil. So it's pretty fair to compare the high you get from smoking co2 oil to edibles. If you compare the two you'll notice it is a unique high you get from edibles that you do not get from co2 oil.

It's more psychedelic. It has the potential to cause more anxiety in certain individuals. It's processed by your body differently creating a more drawn out peak. Edibles aren't for everyone.

I somewhat agree. Going by the sounds of it, you have only sampled heat decarbed extracts.

There are some terpenes left with a heat decarb, but nothing to brag about. Try 100% naturally decarbed extract. NO heat whatsoever, and an organic solvent, like 200 proof ethyl. Allow the product to naturally decarb, over a period of around 4 months, in a sealed container, under pressure. I think you may take back some of your comments. For starters, if you have all of the terpenes, there is also a terpene in cannabis that is anti-anxiety, and suppresses the "buzz" effects. However, this terpene does need to be present in the starting material. It does alter the blood brain barrier as welll and the buzz can last days, not just hours.

Other than that, I would have to pretty much agree with you.

Mr.CrumWell · Oct 23, 2015

cannakis said:
Mister Crummwell!

How did you go about making your bho Charris/Live Resin?! This is my main goal but hear you Have to keep the butane frozen through your Most of the process...?!

And for all of you who think that "organic" alcohol is Not organic, then what Is it if it's made strictly from vegetable matter I stead of being vacuumed and pumped from the bowels of the earth!?!

For Hundreds of years people distilled their on Alcohol for fuel, medicine, cleaning, it was ONLY The Past 150+ years that they have been pumping oil from the ground and refining it.! Not that petroleum doesn't have benefits considering you can synthesize Anything from it! BUT! Anything petroleum regardless that it came from the earth and was living does Not make it "organic" and I mean just because I may have some organic substances that deteriorate into Deadly Chemicals does Not mean it's "organic" and safe to use. But Pure Distilled Alcohol made from organic matter Is "organic"...

this method uses organic alcohol to wash organic dry sift or bubble hash.

if you click the first page there is a simple how to on it.

thanks for your interest .

OHO (organic hash oil)

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