ok plant guru's......what did I do wrong?.. first grow

zeppelinrules · Sep 19, 2019

Renfro said:
I feed every watering but you require runoff, at least 20%. Are you monitoring the pH? Do you have a PPM meter? Are you using tap water?

ya ph the water after nutes....try for 6.5...see thats whats crazy... some peeps can heavy feed and some are like every 3 times...and nobody killed 3 good looking plants as fast as me.. ha ha..

Renfro · Sep 19, 2019

Whats your feed PPM end up at?

Renfro · Sep 19, 2019

and you are getting runoff to prevent salt buildups?

zeppelinrules · Sep 19, 2019

CanadianJim said:
If you mean growing outdoors in the ground, yes I agree. My first outdoors grow this year, she hasn't needed any nutes so far.
As to the OP, I've never gone over 1/2 strength on any nutes, growing in soil. And everything I've heard about FF soils says they're way too hot.

no.. its in my old barn...its a pretty sealed up 10x7 room... but its outside temps... have fans and air coming in and out but still.. 95 plus... they liked it in veg... very bushy (super-cropped)....sucks...to do all that and crash and burn and not even know what happened...

zeppelinrules · Sep 19, 2019

Renfro said:
Whats your feed PPM end up at?

uh??? long time smoker first time grower??

zeppelinrules · Sep 19, 2019

Renfro said:
and you are getting runoff to prevent salt buildups?

another question I had... yes just until it had a little.. and I watered slow and waited until it soaked in before it got another drink..usually 3 times until it got heavy...using cloth pots...

Coloradoclear · Sep 19, 2019

So the learning curve is really fast in a plus 95 degree environment. You probably screwed up and burned them hard on a really hot day. Nuked! Water, feed, water, feed, keep it 1/2 the strength on the bottle and buy a $30 ppm meter. Good luck next harvest.

zeppelinrules · Sep 19, 2019

Renfro said:
I feed every watering but you require runoff, at least 20%. Are you monitoring the pH? Do you have a PPM meter? Are you using tap water?

ya.. check after nutes... try for around 6.5.. ya tap..let it sit open in gal jugs for a few days to off gas the chlorine...

zeppelinrules · Sep 19, 2019

Coloradoclear said:
So the learning curve is really fast in a plus 95 degree environment. You probably screwed up and burned them hard on a really hot day. Nuked! Water, feed, water, feed, keep it 1/2 the strength on the bottle and buy a $30 ppm meter. Good luck next harvest.

where do you check it the run off? and what are you checking? be nice, I'm a hippy newbie.. ha ha

hanimmal · Sep 19, 2019

zeppelinrules said:
long time smoker, first time grower...real quick legal medical.... 3 seed bank seeds...fox farm ocean forest, fox farm trio nutes..as per directions, when soil is dry 1 inch down,all nute watering's, no straight water ever, 600w led.(king), room is in barn so 95 plus all summer,... all good till 5 to 6 weeks into flower...died in a little over a week?????... tried flushing for a couple days... thought nute burn...flushing didn't do anything but drown them I think....not sure I'll try again...

Everything you said, too hot in the barn gave you skinny leaves, overwatering it likely gave you yellow leaves so you pumped in too many nuterients to fix yellow and fried your roots.

SheeshM · Sep 19, 2019

zeppelinrules said:
where do you check it the run off? and what are you checking? be nice, I'm a hippy newbie.. ha ha

The basics aren't too hard. You can get a ppm meter off Amazon for 15-30 USD. Water your plant with with plenty of runoff and then measure the ppm of that water (salt). If the readings are crazy high like 1500-2000 and above, you're medium is probably loaded with salts from the nutrients.

Coloradoclear · Sep 19, 2019

zeppelinrules said:
where do you check it the run off? and what are you checking? be nice, I'm a hippy newbie.. ha ha

Your over thinking it. I am very familiar with "bagged soil". Your plants had four weeks of nutrients already in the planting soil that you used. They didn't need drop of fertilizer for the first few weeks. Then fertilizer should have been brought on gradually . . . Maybe 600 ppm. Which is probably about 1/3 of the dose that you poured on. In all reality, you have no idea how strong the dose of fertilizer that you applied to your plants was. A cheap meter (and a reference guide) would have helped you "catch" this issue. You would have mixed it up, checked it, and went "dammmmmm" that is too strong. Send me a PM. I can can give you some simple pointers for your next go round.

Coloradoclear · Sep 19, 2019

SheeshM said:
The basics aren't too hard. You can get a ppm meter off Amazon for 15-30 USD. Water your plant with with plenty of runoff and then measure the ppm of that water (salt). If the readings are crazy high like 1500-2000 and above, you're medium is probably loaded with salts from the nutrients.

Not to be a dick but, why would you do it that way? Your plant would be poisoned at that point? Why not manage on the front end. I am of the philosophy of "less is more" and observation of your plants uptake is a very visual thing.

SheeshM · Sep 20, 2019

Coloradoclear said:
Your over thinking it. I am very familiar with "bagged soil". Your plants had four weeks of nutrients already in the planting soil that you used. They didn't need drop of fertilizer for the first few weeks. Then fertilizer should have been brought on gradually . . . Maybe 600 ppm. Which is probably about 1/3 of the dose that you poured on. In all reality, you have no idea how strong the dose of fertilizer that you applied to your plants was. A cheap meter (and a reference guide) would have helped you "catch" this issue. You would have mixed it up, checked it, and went "dammmmmm" that is too strong.

Coloradoclear said:
Not to be a dick but, why would you do it that way? Your plant would be poisoned at that point? Why not manage on the front end. I am of the philosophy of "less is more" and observation of your plants uptake is a very visual thing.

Totally agree about checking ppm of your nutrient mix. The guy was asking how to check runoff ppm

zeppelinrules · Sep 20, 2019

Coloradoclear said:
Not to be a dick but, why would you do it that way? Your plant would be poisoned at that point? Why not manage on the front end. I am of the philosophy of "less is more" and observation of your plants uptake is a very visual thing.

less less less....I don't think I drown them untill maybe all the flushing but it was too late at that point...learned a lot this fist year and thanks for all the help...you guys.... sucks I no bud to try...

zeppelinrules · Sep 20, 2019

Coloradoclear said:
Your over thinking it. I am very familiar with "bagged soil". Your plants had four weeks of nutrients already in the planting soil that you used. They didn't need drop of fertilizer for the first few weeks. Then fertilizer should have been brought on gradually . . . Maybe 600 ppm. Which is probably about 1/3 of the dose that you poured on. In all reality, you have no idea how strong the dose of fertilizer that you applied to your plants was. A cheap meter (and a reference guide) would have helped you "catch" this issue. You would have mixed it up, checked it, and went "dammmmmm" that is too strong. Send me a PM. I can can give you some simple pointers for your next go round.

I didn't give them any food for a month.... just kept feeding them... looked really good till 1/2 through flower... ya I know now that I over did it...less is best

Hiiipower111 · Sep 20, 2019

zeppelinrules said:
well thats sorta what I was thinking... my room is in my barn.. no way to keep it cool... has been 95 plus all summer, fans and fresh going through... growing like crazy during veg... migh have also gave them a shot on veg food right before that all happened will that straight up kill them??

I think they were overnuted or overwatered by the sounds of it

zeppelinrules · Sep 21, 2019

jondamon said:
It happens buddy. We’ve all been there.

Easier to fix a plant that hasn’t been getting enough nutrients than it is to fix one that’s been getting too much.

holy shit batman...2 of the ladies survived, no doubt lost 90% of my potential... I think I know what happened... my veg food didn't get taken out of rotation... gave them 6-4-4 veg food.. bottle say's 2 tbs per gal, I went 3 for late veg and didn't toss the leftover...hit hard 5 weeks into flower...

zeppelinrules · Oct 14, 2019

Renfro said:
and you are getting runoff to prevent salt buildups?

ok. newby here, you saying your always supposed to water till you get a lot of runoff?...I did it till I saw a little in the tray?...I mean when I water my house plants and stuff I don't that?

Renfro · Oct 14, 2019

You want about 20% runoff every time you water, so about 20% of what goes in comes out the bottom and is them dumped so the plant doesn't sit in it. That runoff will rinse excess salts preventing buildups in your soil.

Over watering is not letting the soil dry properly between waterings (watering too frequently).

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