Once and for all.. L.E.D or H.I.D ??!

diggs99 said:

lol once and for all?

this thread wont solve that riddle bro.

HID has been responsible for growing DANK for years and years and years, generations even lol

Led tech is catching up and also grows DANK.

i think the main pros and cons come from the things you dont want answered lol

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If its catching up thats almost basically saying that hid is in the lead? I understand how to some of the more advanced more experienced growers perhaps will see the faults in my question but what i am actaully getting at is who here has used both, maybe even on same strains in same eviroment etc that has seen the results personally..

ya I can't help you there because I'm still new to this and have only used HID, t5ho and cfls

I do know tho, I have done a ton of researching this exact subject on this site using the search feature and have come up with the following results. Led guys love leds and hid guys love hids lol

It usually ends the same way, a full blown argument about hid vs led lol

From the grows I have read/watched I think both will grow amazing weed , GIVEN THE GROWER IS GOOD ENOUGH TO GROW IT.

Led had to catch up, hid was always the bench mark

NoviceKing said:

If its catching up thats almost basically saying that hid is in the lead? I understand how to some of the more advanced more experienced growers perhaps will see the faults in my question but what i am actaully getting at is who here has used both, maybe even on same strains in same eviroment etc that has seen the results personally..

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No point in asking man you will get many different answers as you've already seen. The fact is there are a million different variables and lighting is just one. Genetics, environment, and the ability to grow a healthy plant are what makes weed dank not the lighting alone.

xtsho said:

Most of the data they refer to comes from LED grow light suppliers and isn't backed up by any real scientific data. LED grow light providers can make all the claims they want. That doesn't mean they are true. They're in business to make money and by looking at what they charge they're doing a good job of it.

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now you just talking to talk......

there's an active youtube community that tasks itself with finding all of this out.

This isn't just marketing shindings and pseudo-science anymore.... PAR sensors are available now and people have bought them and the numbers are out - LEDs are coming for the grow industry, it is inevitable..

Here's an example of a comparison for 'small' grow lights:

150W HPS - PPFD output - 157. Cost - $200. Consumption - 165W
100W T5s - PPFD - 75 Cost - $100 - Consumption 102 W
Mars300 LED - PPFD - 124 - Cost - $71 Consumption - 121W
QB 120 4K - PPFD - 117 Cost $97 Consumption 61W.

Quantum board LEDs have surpassed HID in PAR readings by a long shot and reduces consumption.

What LEDs don't have that HID does is the 'modular' design which allows for quick repairs when needed.

LEDs don't have that luxury but the tec has proven itself reliable - so much so that a lot of companies don't want to fill shelves with LED offerings because they know it is very likely the last bulb they'll sell that customer....

Which car is faster Car A or Car B? Hard to discuss the outcome or the answer without asking what each car weighs, or how much HP each car produces, or what gear ratio they run etc. Yes, they are both getting to a finish line, but how?

NoviceKing said:

If its catching up thats almost basically saying that hid is in the lead? I understand how to some of the more advanced more experienced growers perhaps will see the faults in my question but what i am actaully getting at is who here has used both, maybe even on same strains in same eviroment etc that has seen the results personally..

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I used both and still do (both on same stains as well). Each grows equally good pot. One allows me to run in the summer time reducing HVAC cost and the other lets me utilize the heat and the light in the winter making it more affordable with HVAC cost. I dont use one over the other due to quality being better in one than the other. I flip flop back n fourth between lighting because it serves a better purpose at that time other than "just making flowers". I deal with some crazy weather here in Michigan so I think anyone who deals with major seasonal temps fluctuating can relate.

I'm convinced that many posts slamming HID's and promoting LED's are from people associated with the LED industry. You don't see such an effort anywhere else. But a bunch of stoners are easily parted with their money. Just look at cannabis specific nutrients and the pollen chuckers selling seeds for $30 a pop. No other target market would fall for all the nonsense.

redivider said:

now you just talking to talk......

there's an active youtube community that tasks itself with finding all of this out.

This isn't just marketing shindings and pseudo-science anymore.... PAR sensors are available now and people have bought them and the numbers are out - LEDs are coming for the grow industry, it is inevitable..

Here's an example of a comparison for 'small' grow lights:

150W HPS - PPFD output - 157. Cost - $200. Consumption - 165W
100W T5s - PPFD - 75 Cost - $100 - Consumption 102 W
Mars300 LED - PPFD - 124 - Cost - $71 Consumption - 121W
QB 120 4K - PPFD - 117 Cost $97 Consumption 61W.

Quantum board LEDs have surpassed HID in PAR readings by a long shot and reduces consumption.

What LEDs don't have that HID does is the 'modular' design which allows for quick repairs when needed.

LEDs don't have that luxury but the tec has proven itself reliable - so much so that a lot of companies don't want to fill shelves with LED offerings because they know it is very likely the last bulb they'll sell that customer....

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And your proof is a video from a company selling LED's.

xtsho said:

And your proof is a video from a company selling LED's.

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the one that appeared to do best in this video is a direct competitor to migrow's products.... so the fact that they're 'selling' LEDs should not even be mentioned - because the winner isn't for sale on migrow.

the Migrow light, which is near the end, is $260 dollars, uses 110 watts - produces ~217 PAR.

The QB kit is $97 and uses 61 watts, producing 117. so you can buy 2, use 120 watts, spend less money, get more PAR to your plant, electricity spending doesn't increase significantly and you can multi-room it if you want because you have two fucking lights....

so you can keep saying that HID lighting is better, but if that was the case there would be hundreds of videos with HID companies with PAR meters tearing LEDs apart left and right......

the fact there aren't any is just a direct result of the truth: LED lighting systems are the most efficient form of artificial light we have come up with. this is not debatable - it is the 100% truth.

redivider said:

the one that appeared to do best in this video is a direct competitor to migrow's products.... so the fact that they're 'selling' LEDs should not even be mentioned - because the winner isn't for sale on migrow.

the Migrow light, which is near the end, is $260 dollars, uses 110 watts - produces ~217 PAR.

The QB kit is $97 and uses 61 watts, producing 117. so you can buy 2, use 120 watts, spend less money, get more PAR to your plant, electricity spending doesn't increase significantly and you can multi-room it if you want because you have two fucking lights....

so you can keep saying that HID lighting is better, but if that was the case there would be hundreds of videos with HID companies with PAR meters tearing LEDs apart left and right......

the fact there aren't any is just a direct result of the truth: LED lighting systems are the most efficient form of artificial light we have come up with. this is not debatable - it is the 100% truth.

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I've never said HID was better. My position is that is it isn't worth it to me to spend the money on LED's when I'm growing fire with HID's. I'm not concerned with electrical usage efficiency. I'm concerned about growing some good weed and not paying through the nose for expensive lights that won't improve my grow.

If people want to dump $800 to achieve the same results as a $200 HID that's their choice. And the myth that they last longer is debatable. The LED's last longer than an HID bulb but the other components do fail just like an HID ballast can fail.

I've said numerous times that there is nothing wrong with LED's. I'm not a hater. I'm just not going to get sucked into spending a bunch of money because of the big push from LED sellers to target the easily manipulated cannabis growers market. I don't trust JD Power and associates bought and paid for ratings and I don't believe all the marketing claims targeted at cannabis growers. That includes not just LED's but nutrients and all the other overpriced products made and marketed specifically to cannabis growers.

For me it was about saving money,after switching from hid to led I’m Saving $100 plus a month , So pretty much got my money back already I spent on led so its kinda a no brainer for me ,

yes and thats a fair and vaild reason

but

that dont meet the criteria for this thread. OP dont want any of those variables in the conversation.

His question is Purely based on quality of bud HID VS LED , as far as i know, they dont make a meter for testing that lol

I dont think it can be answered the way OP was hoping. Both grow great weed, if the grower knows what he/she is doing.

OP must do his own research and find out for himself, imo. People advising you aren't paying for your your equipment.

Also to add, i dont think its a coincidence that many big time grow ops are still using gavitas or 1kw hps, they obviously feel the weed they are growing under the Gavitas/hps is comparable to any other lights or the extra cost of switching over just isnt worth it.

Like @xtsho said, if electricity is cheap where you grow, leds become even less attractive at their price point.

From my research COB led's are the best, but there are really too many variables.

CMH lights provide the most UV light, by far. If ya like resin.....

Couch_Lock said:

OP must do his own research and find out for himself, imo. People advising you aren't paying for your your equipment.

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Its not a question of whos paying for his equipment, hes asking which grows better weed.

I say the best answer is whatever light a good grower is using, whether it be HID or LED will grow dank, same applies to us newbies, pretty sure there's been some crappy weed grown with both as well. lol

HPS will give you the hardest nugs, CMH next in that category. LED is the most efficient. CMH is king of UV light tho.

In my opinion both technologies have their pros and cons. For me a mix may be best. HID overhead lighting and LED side lighting.

xtsho said:

Not really. Just because some cannabis growers are starting to use LED's doesn't mean there is a big industry movement towards them. Large greenhouses and other grows are still purchasing and using HID lighting on a large scale. Cannabis growers also pay $25 for a bottle of diluted calcium nitrate with the word "Grow" on the fancy label. HID's are not going away anytime soon.

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If you look at companies like fluence who are actual real legitimate LED lighting companies that invest millions into R&D you'll find they are getting big contracts with both commercial cannabis growers
And and traditional commercial growers
The problem is in the cannabis industry theres still lots of cowboys and snake oil salesmen running around and selling inferior quality gear and promising everything delivering not much.
But if you look at costs like HVAC, water,
And nutrients loss due to overwatering the costs come right down. Yeah the LED market innovators are passing up the old tried and true stuff but you gotta invest big to get those big results.