One Plant Two Medians

JESSE

JESSE

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does anyone out there know if you can split the roots of a plant and pot half in soil while putting the other in a hydro?what do you think the plant would do?i know stability would be weakened but hell that is easily fixed with stakes and string anyways. i just wondered if it would alter growth or flavor?:?
 
ganjagarious

ganjagarious

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you have too much time on your hands, just grow in soil or hydro, pick one and perfect it. Not only will you waste your time but you will likely kill the plant, It sounds like you are asking about tip layering or air layering and it could work if you had your plant in a hydro set up and took a low branch and tip layered into a pot of soil, after one month or when roots have established and new shoots appear then you could clip the branch as the energy transference from plant to plant and root structure to secondary plant will be nill. a quicker and more time valuable endeavor would be to make several clones and create a beautiful sea of green. If you got time to waste then instead of trying to murder plants, just sit there and breath on them, at least that would be helping them.
 
JESSE

JESSE

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I have plenty of time and plants to work with which is why i dont care about clones i have plenty already,cant put a sog anywhere cause there are already plants in the way.i just wont to find ways to dramatically increase yeild one one monster plant im planning to grow i suppose dippind a already existing branch into earth or a hydro setup would be less stressing but i also like the idea of making my plant grow sideways to add width.ive already been hearing your exact words from other growers but i dont think that the branch i bend down will be as thick or sturdy as one original stem or rooball being devided.im looking for stability aswell cause like i said i want to go large with this one.
 
7xstall

7xstall

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the roots of this plant has two jobs (other plants do use their roots for more):

support the plant and keep it from being blown over.

gather nutrients and water from the soil.


the plant has X genetic potential to grow and make buds. if you provide the entire plant with optimum conditions you will reach X potential. you can not exceed that, ever. it's like trying to make a fashion model into a linebacker.

you can breed traits in (or out) and change what X is but you will not make any plant go beyond what it is meant to do.

i recommend that you stick with learning how to reach X before you start trying to figure out how to exceed it. :joint:






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Schiffty

Schiffty

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Trial and Error have their place in scientific methodology.

If you have the resources, why not.

LSD was an accidental byproduct of fuckin around with plants

We're all crazy anyway.
 
JESSE

JESSE

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Thank you shcifty finally someone realizes that im wanting to do it for the knowledge and not that im just dieng for large buds.i already have my bipolar meds im just trying to vent some extra time and energy.how about trying it and finding out instead of critisizing the very thought of not growing a plant the normal boring way.assholes my plants have plenty of co2 and ive been thru my trial and error process I like what i have have managed to grow and i support my own needs so i dont need to impress anyone i would just like a few new challenges using what i have to get there,plus ive just never seen one plant in two medians before.
 
JESSE

JESSE

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hopefully i will be able to find someone outthere that isnt full of shit.it dousnt matter what your strain is if your plant it large it will produce a larger amount of bud.if you flower a two year old plant that has had a steady flow of co2 and has been steadily vegitating it will produce more than your new ones that your just flowering cause you need some bud allready,all i was saying is there is a way to get that plant larger faster and that is by producing a larger amount of roots.size will allways put out x amount of alot of fucking smoke.
 
JESSE

JESSE

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damn, im not good with computers 7xtall where is the pic of this plant with two?
 
UnEmploymentDude

UnEmploymentDude

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I didnt feel like reading it all.

Just thinking, maybe have have the soil with pure water and the hydro system with the nuts, so you'd have a perfect nute system and not have to worry about the hydro system dying out on you!
[/thinking out loud]

Nice idea, again you can never know for sure what will happen, good luck.
 
JESSE

JESSE

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that sounds great to except for the plant can get plain water fine from the soil i was wanting to add to flavor and vigor i dont mind a slight chemi taste if there is benefits from it...
 
PlatinumKasse

PlatinumKasse

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i actually thought that i invented this idea... one plant, two root sets... FUCK... I've been interested in running this experiment... but when I think about it, the root balls would have to be so close in proximity that they'd become intertangled anyway, which I feel may result in similar to normal root development
 
JESSE

JESSE

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they wont get intangled cause they will be divided into two different containers.....how did you suppose that a hydro setup and a pot of soil could get intermingled.the containers would have to be close and the plant might need some help standing for awhile but that is all easily fixed.just get some bamboo for her to lean on until the new vigor from the second rootball kicks in.i hope this will work cause when im back home in 14 weeks im deffinately trying especially if someone will prove the concept.
 
7xstall

7xstall

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JESSE said:
damn, im not good with computers 7xtall where is the pic of this plant with two?
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i don't have any pics of one.

instead of trying to divide the main root system in two, why not start the plant in one or the other (hydro/soil) and bend it to start a new system in the other medium?

i was talking to another member about trying hydro for the first time and it made me think of a stacked system... instead of rockwool and hydroton to support the plant - soil. the roots come out of the soil container and grow down into a hydro system.






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Kant

Kant

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the problem i see with that is the soil would seep down into the reservoir and could clog up the air stones and pumps(if used)
 
JESSE

JESSE

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i just dont like the idea of bending a plant that low ive been getting that responce alot and it makes me wonder why no ones every tried to disentangle a rootball if tangling prevents growth? i do like your ideal i was thinking mesh would probly keep the soil from draining down but not completely....you should try a layer of leaves or...pebbles...what kin da median are you thinking of using on the hydro half that greatly influences whether soil can leak down along with the roots and moisture....you would have a nasty resevoir no matter what but that dousnt really matter unless you want to cycle it.at least your way yoiu dont abuse the plant at all.
 
JESSE

JESSE

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has anyone grown a [plant in a pot of soil and then while transplanting or something thought of just dirrectly placing it on top of an air stone and a drip?like a soil grow with roots that also dig down in a hydro median....sorry for lack of better words dont know much bout hydro.
 
7xstall

7xstall

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Kant said:
the problem i see with that is the soil would seep down into the reservoir and could clog up the air stones and pumps(if used)
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just pumping air in through an aquarium stone it shouldn't get clogged, especially with a weekly change.

as far as the soil seep, i guess the only way to prevent that is to barely wet the soil. it might stay moist enough without any direct watering because the roots bring so much water up from the tank??

if i try it i'll use the 4" starter pots that i germ in, might drill some more holes in bottom and lower sides. maybe use two so there would be a built in gap..

maybe having a natural soil layer will mitigate the chemical taste of hydro buds.






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7xstall

7xstall

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JESSE said:
i just dont like the idea of bending a plant that low ive been getting that responce alot and it makes me wonder why no ones every tried to disentangle a rootball if tangling prevents growth? i do like your ideal i was thinking mesh would probly keep the soil from draining down but not completely....you should try a layer of leaves or...pebbles...what kin da median are you thinking of using on the hydro half that greatly influences whether soil can leak down along with the roots and moisture....you would have a nasty resevoir no matter what but that dousnt really matter unless you want to cycle it.at least your way yoiu dont abuse the plant at all.
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i don't think the soil would drain down. when i fill a new 4" pot with soil to germ i really soak it down so everything settles, let it dry out for a couple days then plant. never had stuff come out the bottom.

maybe it should be stacked 3 deep like this:

4" drilled germ pot, with soil.
4" pebble or hydroton pot with lots of drill holes, kind of like a net pot.
hydro tank with airstone.

that sounds like a decent hybrid system??


as far as untangling roots, weed roots don't need to be untangled really. they will get bunched up and twist all over each other but it's not bad as long as they get what they need for their short lives. a tree or something is a different story because they keep growing so long.






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Kant

Kant

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well i was saying that the soil might get stuck in the pores of the airstone which i don't know how you'd fix(except by replacing), but this is all just theoretical problems. it's interesting though, i would like to see this done.

i was thinking, maybe you could use a net pot coated with muslin or something like it to hold in the soil.


I know this is off the 2 medium topic, but what i wanted to try someday is an outdoor hydro grow. i figure it doesn't get any better for light than the sun and it doesn't get any better than hydro for all the plants other needs.

yes, i know it would a logistical nightmare.
 
JESSE

JESSE

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that would be sweet outdoor hydro!!where i live mosquitos would seriosly get attracted fast and you would have to empty and change your resevoir repeatedly or keep fish in there or something.
 
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