Opium=marijuana

growwwww

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Woah.... What's with all the judging and condemnation? Did RIU become a church or something? :lol:

ye i was pretty deep, but its true. This guy is a heroin manufactura whos product is getting on the streets, no one deserves 15 years in the pen. And he may be a nice guy but hes saying how his friends have enough money to do coke all day and how they can stop when and when they want ect... and this bloke who did heroin for 3 years then quit cold turkey....like wtf yeah and something was probably really fucked up its not as easy as that normally.......hes just gotta chillax on that a bit, coz i think hes a bit misleading and at the end of the day that shit is hard and fucks up alot of lives so theres no need to praise the stuff, but just be aware and respect the stuff.

:weed::weed::weed::weed::weed::weed::weed:
 

bicycle racer

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people just need to tread carefully with opiates amphetamines cocaine alcohol pills etc.. all can get you if your careless or dont respect them. it does not mean all will have problems but some do and never really recover. not trying to be judgemental ive just been around these drugs and know what can happen.
 

eclipsepers0n

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thank you.. .basically moderation is the key word here... i have been growing mj for 3 years(and many other household plants) and all i wanted to know were the effects of licking the bulb of a poppy plant.. thanks for all this information... .

i remember i made bhang about a year ago with 2 ounces of cuttings... i had one cup and i was out....it makes sense to know the right amount, eh??

ye i was pretty deep, but its true. This guy is a heroin manufactura whos product is getting on the streets, no one deserves 15 years in the pen. And he may be a nice guy but hes saying how his friends have enough money to do coke all day and how they can stop when and when they want ect... and this bloke who did heroin for 3 years then quit cold turkey....like wtf yeah and something was probably really fucked up its not as easy as that normally.......hes just gotta chillax on that a bit, coz i think hes a bit misleading and at the end of the day that shit is hard and fucks up alot of lives so theres no need to praise the stuff, but just be aware and respect the stuff.

:weed::weed::weed::weed::weed::weed::weed:
 

growwwww

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people just need to tread carefully with opiates amphetamines cocaine alcohol pills etc.. all can get you if your careless or dont respect them. it does not mean all will have problems but some do and never really recover. not trying to be judgemental ive just been around these drugs and know what can happen.
Yup exactly what im saying, im not trying to say that his anecdotes are not true or anything. But ive had friends destroyed by needles and know many good men who have gone sour due to coke.
 

bicycle racer

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the difference between cannabis and opiates is if you drink too much bhang(cannabis milk beverage native to india) your stoned for 48 hours or so if you screw up the dosage of opiates you stop breathing and cease to exist permanently. opiates produce a good high but have side effects and can kill you so just use intelligent discretion when using opiates of any source and dont use for too many days in a row peace.
 

eclipsepers0n

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are you saying peace to this thread or ME??:o lol have a good one

the difference between cannabis and opiates is if you drink too much bhang(cannabis milk beverage native to india) your stoned for 48 hours or so if you screw up the dosage of opiates you stop breathing and cease to exist permanently. opiates produce a good high but have side effects and can kill you so just use intelligent discretion when using opiates of any source and dont use for too many days in a row peace.
 

kalublevi

Active Member
yea i dont think anyone on here was planing to go do crazy amounts of opium i think thats why the guy asked in the first place to see what would happen to he did want to go lick it and fuck his day up or life im sure people no its risky but so are almost every drug you take thats why you do it or you dont you dont know whats happened to it unless you made it grew it thats why you ask around do a little reasearch
 

Cruzan

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opium may not be Heroin, but Heroin's derived from opium. You can still get hooked on opium, like Heroin, by smoking or ingesting it. Plus, if you don't know what you're doing, you can poison yourself if you ingest the sap raw, or untreated.
 

bicycle racer

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yes it does there are actually more types of alkaloids in raw opium so the addiction can be as bad or worse. the chinese had epidemic opium addiction in there country for a long time in the past.
 

420ganja420

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yes it does there are actually more types of alkaloids in raw opium so the addiction can be as bad or worse. the chinese had epidemic opium addiction in there country for a long time in the past.
Dude please stop posting out of your ass. Just because it has more opiates in it does not make it more addictive or more harmful. Opium has over 20 'chemicals' in it with its active ingredients being:

1)Morphine. - While it's powerful, it only is roughly 10% of opium's dry/cooked weight so you are getting a very minor dose of it. So your average dose can be about 5mg. That makes the morphine content all of 0.5mg. That is a light dose for smokable morphine.

2)Codeine. - This is found in less percentage than morphine. A recreational dose of codeine is 100mg+. There is not even that many milligrams in a single opium dose.

3)Noscapaine. - This has been found to contain little narcotic value on it's own. While it still reacts on the opioid receptors, it doesn't do much.

4)Papaverine. - Also has little to no narcotic value but contributes to constricting the blood vessels (causing the relaxation feeling).

5)Thebaine . - Little to no narcotic value alone. Pill companies use this to convert it to oxycontin. The synthesis itself is easy to find but 99% of the time will not include measurements and weights (just basic calculations) which is deadly if someone tried converting it.

Opium is not as addicting as you are trying to make it appear. All its active ingredients are very little and get even smaller when you do a dose of opium. Since all its primary ingredients involve the opioid receptors that's the 'high' you get. Many chemicals all going to the same place at the same time but in all little amounts.

While opium can be addictive and you can OD on it, the chances are pretty low. Unless, that is, if you do it on a regular basis and throughout the day (which is what I do) and I still have not became addicted. It all depends on the person. No drug effects everyone the same way.

does opium still have a high addictiveness like harry or not?
No it does not. Heroin is part synthetic and part natural. Heroin must be converted from morphine. Morphine is naturally found in the poppy. Heroin is just a partly man-made drug made to increase the powers of morphine, cure addictions, medicinal uses, etc. When heroin was first synthesized it was marketed as a cure for morphine addiction, as a self-administered medicine (easily found, in those times, as a cough suppressant) and eventually was made illegal when we saw the long term effects.

You people (and by that I mean you bicycle racer) can't say a synthetic drug or extracted drug is less addictive than a natural one. Look at cocaine. Coca leaves aren't addictive and their active ingredient is cocaine. It's only addictive one the cocaine is extracted out.

That rule somewhat applies to opium. While still addictive, its addictive rate is increased if the morphine is extracted out (and used) and is more addictive if heroin is processed from that morphine (and used).
 

growwwww

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That rule somewhat applies to opium. While still addictive, its addictive rate is increased if the morphine is extracted out (and used) and is more addictive if heroin is processed from that morphine (and used).
Ha, so we achieved nothing here. We came to the conclusion that opium is addictive. And im pretty sure we all know that when its extracted and that morphine and heroin is more addictive.

Thank you for clearing up very little.

Stick to smoking ganja.
 

bicycle racer

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i guess your the only human in the world who does not develop physical opiate addiction lol. you need to do some more research it seems you convince yourself of what you would like to believe. heroin is a byproduct of morphine production chemical changes take place but it is not synthetic(there are opiates that are un-natural and fully man made like dilaudid) because something is changed through the extracting process does not define it as synthetic. as an example marinol is a man made synthetic but solvent extracted hash oil is not. heroin and morphine are not by deffinition un-natural there processed. dilaudid would be a man made opiate more addictive than all other opiates as synthetic molecules leave the human body slower making de-tox worse and longer. as far as opium addiction ill say it again there are many active alkaloids which your body will develop an addiction to this makes opium have a very high rate of serious physical addiction. read some history with regards to opium use in china afghanistan india etc... opium addiction in china wreaked havoc on that country for many decades. many lives today are destroyed by opiates of various sources. you do people a disservice by spouting off about how safe opiates are. i have seen what they do first hand 4 friends of mine are dead from opiate use. if you ingest too much opium you can easily stop respiration. misery loves company though so i guess thats your angle
 

darkdestruction420

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poppies are easy to grow outdoors. They only become illegal when it can be proven that you knew they could produce opium

so ur saying i can go to the store and buy poppy seeds and then make opium from em? i thought it was some special strain of em or something like that that was illegal in the us.
 

420ganja420

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Ha, so we achieved nothing here. We came to the conclusion that opium is addictive. And im pretty sure we all know that when its extracted and that morphine and heroin is more addictive.

Thank you for clearing up very little.

Stick to smoking ganja.
Were we or was I even talking to you? No.....then your opinions aren't wanted I believe I stated that before. And FYI, I smoke my opium with my marijuana.

i guess your the only human in the world who does not develop physical opiate addiction lol. you need to do some more research it seems you convince yourself of what you would like to believe. heroin is a byproduct of morphine production chemical changes take place but it is not synthetic(there are opiates that are un-natural and fully man made like dilaudid) because something is changed through the extracting process does not define it as synthetic. as an example marinol is a man made synthetic but solvent extracted hash oil is not. heroin and morphine are not by deffinition un-natural there processed. dilaudid would be a man made opiate more addictive than all other opiates as synthetic molecules leave the human body slower making de-tox worse and longer. as far as opium addiction ill say it again there are many active alkaloids which your body will develop an addiction to this makes opium have a very high rate of serious physical addiction. read some history with regards to opium use in china afghanistan india etc... opium addiction in china wreaked havoc on that country for many decades. many lives today are destroyed by opiates of various sources. you do people a disservice by spouting off about how safe opiates are. i have seen what they do first hand 4 friends of mine are dead from opiate use. if you ingest too much opium you can easily stop respiration. misery loves company though so i guess thats your angle
tl;dr. Spacing that out would be nice (lol). I read the first sentence and I am a morphine addict so yeah....


poppies are easy to grow outdoors. They only become illegal when it can be proven that you knew they could produce opium

so ur saying i can go to the store and buy poppy seeds and then make opium from em? i thought it was some special strain of em or something like that that was illegal in the us.
Most poppies they sell at the store are treated or have little opium in them. Papaver Somniferum are the ones you want. Poppies that produce a lot of opium are Schedule II narcotics (http://www.erowid.org/plants/poppy/poppy_law.shtml) and thus if they can prove your extracting the opium, you can and will go to jail. If you are growing a ridiculous amount of poppies they will more than likely be watching you as I'm sure anyone with 1/2 a brain knows what the poppies can be used for.
 

growwwww

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Were we or was I even talking to you? No.....then your opinions aren't wanted. I smoke my opium with my marijuana.



tl;dr. Spacing that out would be nice (lol). I read the first sentence and I am a morphine addict so yeah....
Ruining your ganja :shock::shock::shock:

and your a morphine addict, awww comon man.

Im all up for having a good time and doing drugs and stuff, but jeeesh if your regularly shooting yourself on morphine and smoking opium then you gotta sort that out, its a problem. But it seems like bicycle said - it seems you convince yourself of what you would like to believe is true. Dude i dont mean to be a dick but sounds like somethings really fucked up. Your a clever guy and i see you know alot about growing drugs and stuff seems like you are maybe obsessive? or are just a clever guy hooked onto the stuff with nothing to do in your time but take drugs and make drugs. Reclaim yourself brother. To me it seems like your loosin it. But then again why would you care of how it seems to me of what your like? But then again it seems like you dont care about me at all or my opinions or anyone else for a fact.

YOUR A REBEL BROTHER!
 

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
heroin is a byproduct of morphine production chemical changes take place but it is not synthetic(there are opiates that are un-natural and fully man made like dilaudid) because something is changed through the extracting process does not define it as synthetic.
Huh? Heroin is made by the acetylation of Morphine... it is not a "byproduct of morphine production". Heroin is semi-synthetic, hence, it is not an opiate; heroin is an opioid (clearly meaning semi-synthetic or synthetic).
 

bicycle racer

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what i mean to say is that heroin is not like dilaudid which is fully man made like amphetamines or marinol as an example which is laboratory made but attempts to mimmic the molecular structure of natural t.h.c but has different effects. what i have read is that heroin was discovered while pharmaceutical companies were producing morphine. i should have worded that more precisely. to anyone who is looking for dried poppies go to sundriedpoppies.com they have various types of dried pods of p.soniferum that are full of viable seeds ive grown them before it is a delicate plant in the begining. you can also make tea out of the dried pods once ground up. using almost boiling water and an acid like vinegar or lime/lemon juice to pull out the alkaloids. i once made tea this way with 12 large pods drank it to myself way too much you could od this way if you were to overdue it. but it works it just tastes terrible the batch i made was similar in effect to 80mg to 100mg of percodan or percocet. a weaker batch would have been better idea. anyways i dont want to argue about opiates the point is be safe and be a weekend warrior just dont use for too many days in a row.
 

bicycle racer

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i meant to say fentanyl etc.. are the pure synthetics not dilauded i mix them up there are quite a few with common and trade names.
 
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