Oregon OMMP and Growers.

kushma said:

sounds like crap.1. you charge. 2. your not giving your pateints every thing at the end of the cycle if your only giving 24 ounces to them. 6 plants can produce well over that, so what are you doin with the rest. 1 plant can produce a pound and a half. i dont pay for any thing with my grower and he hooks me up all the time and i love it.

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very much agreed, my grower doesnt charge me a dime for some really good meds

It sounds like a good deal the way he states it in his post. 24 ounces every 8-12 weeks. Think about it. That is 4 ounces per plant every 2-2.5 months.

I looks like each patient has 1000 watts over there plants. So, it would cost:

4 weeks veg. at 24 hours on is 4x7= 28 days. 28days x 24 hours = 672 Kilowatt hours. 672Kwh x 1kw = 672kwh. Average price of electricity (which may be lower b/c it is commercial) is prob $0.15/Kwh. 672 x .15= $100 for veg.

Lets tweak are numbers for flower. Say you pick a strain that flowers for nine weeks. 9 x 7= 63 days. 63 x 12hour photo period = 756Kwh. 756 x 0.15 = $113 for flowering.

He said he is using organics. So, guano, bone meal, blood meal and high nitrogen compost should only run you say $50. Upfront costs for equipment should be about 5 time more expensive than every subsequent grow. So, say:

upfront cost will probably be $1000 for equipment.


Then next grow will cost:

$100 veg electricity
$115 flower electricity
$70 fertilizer
$50 water
$70 additional misc. expenses

So about $400 for 24 ounces of MJ (which will be hard to produce that much). $400/ 24 = lest than $17 an oz after upfront expenses. The portland black market value for high grade weed is $200/ oz at the lower end unless you buy weight.

how many grams per watt. 24 ounces x 28 grams = 672 grams. 672 grams /1000 watts = .672 g/w. This is high, especially with the methods used and the shorter vegging time.

These are things you have to consider. i think it sound like it is too good to be true.

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sorry didnt mean to seem like i bashed that add, and yes 24 ounces every 8-12 weeks would be nice and 400 dolors is cheap but like i said i pay nothing and receive only the best. i understand also though that growers need help to pay for indoor ops and sometimes outdoor. but if u look around for while u canfind a good free grower like me. i caled about 50 differnet growers over 2 months and listend to what they offerd and if they charged almost all charged weather it was indoor or out. i only came across 3 free growers. so i pretty much gave them interveiws and what not and what i wanted and now i found a grower that fits my every need. just look around for a good grower.

mcpurple said:

sorry didnt mean to seem like i bashed that add, and yes 24 ounces every 8-12 weeks would be nice and 400 dolors is cheap but like i said i pay nothing and receive only the best. i understand also though that growers need help to pay for indoor ops and sometimes outdoor. but if u look around for while u canfind a good free grower like me. i caled about 50 differnet growers over 2 months and listend to what they offerd and if they charged almost all charged weather it was indoor or out. i only came across 3 free growers. so i pretty much gave them interveiws and what not and what i wanted and now i found a grower that fits my every need. just look around for a good grower.

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If you don't mind me asking, how much do you receive for a grow period?

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This was e-mailed to me. I posted it because a LOT of patients have NO grower. If you found someone to GIVE you FREE medicine, that's great! But growing is expensive, and any HONEST grower is still going to ask for money. This guy has an established garden with an established strain. 24 Ounces is the legal limit for Oregon, so he would be stepping outside the program by giving patients more than that, which is STUPID!!!

If you're looking for a grower, this sounds like a good option.

If you grow yourself, or you're hooked up with a grower, this isn't for you...

I can not speak personally about this association, but as long as EVERYTHING is in the WRITTEN CONTRACT, you'll be fine.

IF ANYONE HAS A PROBLEM SIGNING A LEGAL CONTRACT THEY ARE SHADY!!!!!!!!!!!!

medicalmary said:

If you don't mind me asking, how much do you receive for a grow period?

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i dont mind. And Keep in mind that every thing me and my grower do is 100 percent legal and we are 100 percent sure it is legal. so please dont try to say its illegal cuz its not. ok i only got a grower for the summer cuz i cant grow indoors in the summer for my self as it gets way to hot in the house and i cant setup a/c or nothin so i got a grower for the summer. as soon as my card was in his name i received a QP of dry very good meds. a QP last me around 30-45 days and this my grower is ok with. when im about to run out i call him let him know and we meet up. i get qp's at a time. and i get to choose what strains i want. this will happin til October when the plants are ready to be harvested and then i will receive a pound an a half of dry meds.i will grow for myself again indoors after the outdoor season unless plans change and if they do i will continue with my grower for indoors. after the crop is harvested and after i have gone through my 24 oz all i will do is give him a call and he will give me another 24 oz after the first one is gone. so at the end i get 3 pounds pretty much but only 24 oz at a time. and also i get supplied through the whole summer. oh and again this is all FREE of charge no grower should ask for money. specaily outdoors. if the patient feels like helping theri grower with bills of electricity and what not then great but only if the patient does it on his free will, if the grower ask for money for that stuff i would find new growers. its not hard to find a good grower for free. it just takes time. I do not sell any of my meds it is all consumed by me. i dont pay a dime and my grower is great.

afrawfraw said:

This was e-mailed to me. I posted it because a LOT of patients have NO grower. If you found someone to GIVE you FREE medicine, that's great! But growing is expensive, and any HONEST grower is still going to ask for money. This guy has an established garden with an established strain. 24 Ounces is the legal limit for Oregon, so he would be stepping outside the program by giving patients more than that, which is STUPID!!!

If you're looking for a grower, this sounds like a good option.

If you grow yourself, or you're hooked up with a grower, this isn't for you...

I can not speak personally about this association, but as long as EVERYTHING is in the WRITTEN CONTRACT, you'll be fine.

IF ANYONE HAS A PROBLEM SIGNING A LEGAL CONTRACT THEY ARE SHADY!!!!!!!!!!!!

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outdoor grows are not that expensive to operate the only money that should be paid is a donation to an indoor grower( but only by the patients free will) for the electricity and thats it. if a grower ask for money get a new grower. and yes contracts are good but they can also be ripped up by the grower. i know where my grower lives and if he ever tries anything shady all i will do is go to his house take my plants out of the ground all six and then leave. if doesnt let me on his property all i will have to do is call local authorities to go theri with me while i pull them up. but before i pull them i will make sure he is no longer my grower. but i dont count on that ever happening my grower is a very cool person.
im not bagging onany of these posts, but voicing my opinions. to all patients paying for your meds still? whats the point of having a card. i got mine cuz i was tired of paying for my meds. now its all free.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FREE WEED!!!!!!

If someone is giving you Medicine, then THEY are paying the bill.

Like it was posted by someone else, there is Electricity, dirt, nutes, bulbs, MAN HOURS!!!

Hey, can you give me medicine for free? That has nothing to do with the program!

The program is designed so people can produce HIGHER quality medicine at a DECENT price, NOT FREE!

Weed is NEVER FREE! It costs someone something, yes?

I'm not defending the Association, but people who say, "My medicine is free", aren't to sharp...

well like i said it is completey FREE for me buddy. no electricity is bein used outside either. and outdoor ferts are also really easy and cheap to obtain. its free for me, im sorry u still have to pay for yours. sounds like your upset or somthin cuz i got a sweet deal with my grower. i think mabye my grower put in 100 200 dollors for his outdoor grow op. and he has at least 70-96 plants goin. ITS FREE FOR ME. and even when i grew for myself it was almost completey free. i had good hella cheap soil my lights didnt increase the bill much att all nor the fans. the only thing that cost me money was bottled nutes.

And once again every thing me and my grower and his companions do is completey legal with our state.

mcpurple said:

well like i said it is completey FREE for me buddy. no electricity is bein used outside either. and outdoor ferts are also really easy and cheap to obtain. its free for me, im sorry u still have to pay for yours. sounds like your upset or somthin cuz i got a sweet deal with my grower. i think mabye my grower put in 100 200 dollors for his outdoor grow op. and he has at least 70-96 plants goin. ITS FREE FOR ME. and even when i grew for myself it was almost completey free. i had good hella cheap soil my lights didnt increase the bill much att all nor the fans. the only thing that cost me money was bottled nutes.

And once again every thing me and my grower and his companions do is completey legal with our state.

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I'm "MAD" because people step outside the program!

96 Plants....OK

$200.00 to grow weed for a whole YEAR (OUTDOOR)....OK

You have a great friend who is doing you a HUGE favor!!! Assuming all this is true, do you have any idea how much LABOR goes into 96 Plants?

And your still calling it free!!! Have some respect for your friend who broke his back for your medicine....

And I DO pay for my medicine, Yes. About $40.00 an Ounce when all is said and done. I use premium organic teas and soil...

Not "MAD", just honest!

I'm not ragging on the fact that you have a (ahem) unique arrangement, but the fact that you discredited your growers efforts and investments...

Much love. Smoke weed every day!!!

we are not stepping out side. one grower can hold 4 cards, thats 24 plants and if theris 2 growers in one house thats 4 cards for each of them witch would be 48. and that is legal. and if someone else is living on the property of his and they are both growers than thats another 48 plants. so that would be a total of 96 plants witch is under the number amount of plants the feds care about. im sure their isn't 96 plants out their but their is alot. and once again all legal to my knowledge. im not try into argue with you, just try into let people know theri is great compasinate growers. have you heard of Rick maughs he to is a free grower. and yes it is alot of work but he has people help him to. and 200 hundred dollors is possible. horse poo is free along with alot of other good manures that can be used, also a huge compost pile in your own yard would creat alot of food sources for the plant to and its free to compost. and did you see where i said i think Maybe my grower spends that much. im not sure but its just a guess. he knows his stuff and is a great grower with great meds. and again as to my knowledge every thing i know is legal and i am positive on that, if my grower is doin somethin he isnt supposed to than thats on him. all i do is smoke my meds and nothin else. and i do hav respect for him, i offered to go out theri and help all i could, but he had all the people he needed. and i never discredited him i have said many times he is a great grower and a good guy so ok. and it is some what uniqe now days cuz theri is shysty, stingee people now day and want a bunch of money. like i said i called about 40-50 growers before i chose one, i tested samples of some growers stuff and found someone who fit my needs, out of all those people 3 would do it for free so i chose the best one that fit what i needed. so patients just really got to look around good and hard to find a better grower.

now i am done tryin to argue a point that obvuosly we wont agree on.
Peace and yes i do smoke weed every day.

mcpurple said:

we are not stepping out side. one grower can hold 4 cards, thats 24 plants and if theris 2 growers in one house thats 4 cards for each of them witch would be 48. and that is legal. and if someone else is living on the property of his and they are both growers than thats another 48 plants. so that would be a total of 96 plants witch is under the number amount of plants the feds care about. im sure their isn't 96 plants out their but their is alot. and once again all legal to my knowledge. im not try into argue with you, just try into let people know theri is great compasinate growers. have you heard of Rick maughs he to is a free grower. and yes it is alot of work but he has people help him to. and 200 hundred dollors is possible. horse poo is free along with alot of other good manures that can be used, also a huge compost pile in your own yard would creat alot of food sources for the plant to and its free to compost. and did you see where i said i think Maybe my grower spends that much. im not sure but its just a guess. he knows his stuff and is a great grower with great meds. and again as to my knowledge every thing i know is legal and i am positive on that, if my grower is doin somethin he isnt supposed to than thats on him. all i do is smoke my meds and nothin else. and i do hav respect for him, i offered to go out theri and help all i could, but he had all the people he needed. and i never discredited him i have said many times he is a great grower and a good guy so ok. and it is some what uniqe now days cuz theri is shysty, stingee people now day and want a bunch of money. like i said i called about 40-50 growers before i chose one, i tested samples of some growers stuff and found someone who fit my needs, out of all those people 3 would do it for free so i chose the best one that fit what i needed. so patients just really got to look around good and hard to find a better grower.

now i am done tryin to argue a point that obvuosly we wont agree on.
Peace and yes i do smoke weed every day.

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I agree, but if you think your grower is ONLY getting 24 Ounces from your SIX OUTDOOR PLANTS, then that's on you. FACT is, he's getting a LOT MORE, and if he isn't destroying the extra (Let's be real), he's outside the program.

I won't argue further either.

Just know if he's caught holding more than 24 Ounces per patient, it's YOUR CARD ON THE LINE!!!

I've been in the game a while...I go by my own observations, nothing more...

afrawfraw said:

I agree, but if you think your grower is ONLY getting 24 Ounces from your SIX OUTDOOR PLANTS, then that's on you. FACT is, he's getting a LOT MORE, and if he isn't destroying the extra (Let's be real), he's outside the program.

I won't argue further either.

Just know if he's caught holding more than 24 Ounces per patient, it's YOUR CARD ON THE LINE!!!

I've been in the game a while...I go by my own observations, nothing more...

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yes i know im sure he gets more per plant, but im not sure how much he gets per plant but he gets enough to supply his patients all the time. i dont know what he does with the extra if he has extra, he might donate it to other patients that arent his witch is also legal to do in certain amounts but i dont know. if i find out my self he is doin somthin illegal he will no longer be my grower that simple. and if hes caught with more no its not my card if i knew nothing about it so im ok on that and not worried.
ive talked and talked with people from THCF on all out state and local laws, i have also talked to my lawyer about it many times every thing is legal to my knowledge.
thank you though for all your input. its good to hear what other people have to say. i havent been in the game that long so its good to hear from some other experienced growers

mcpurple said:

yes i know im sure he gets more per plant, but im not sure how much he gets per plant but he gets enough to supply his patients all the time. i dont know what he does with the extra if he has extra, he might donate it to other patients that arent his witch is also legal to do in certain amounts but i dont know. if i find out my self he is doin somthin illegal he will no longer be my grower that simple. and if hes caught with more no its not my card if i knew nothing about it so im ok on that and not worried.
ive talked and talked with people from THCF on all out state and local laws, i have also talked to my lawyer about it many times every thing is legal to my knowledge.
thank you though for all your input. its good to hear what other people have to say. i havent been in the game that long so its good to hear from some other experienced growers

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Well put. I wonder if this is the garden along the river in central Oregon...Don't answer that! Lol.

to the lake selmac hem expo at lake selmac in augest, i know i am any one else makin their way down here for it
gonna be some cool people and vendors and some cool music.

Many people have not a clue what good herb can really do for there illness, let alone they have no idea how to really get started. This group is about using there time, labor, and knowledge so the patient can be worry free and receive as much as the law allows every harvest. Sounds pretty fantastic to me. + reps to them.

kushma said:

sounds like crap.1. you charge. 2. your not giving your pateints every thing at the end of the cycle if your only giving 24 ounces to them. 6 plants can produce well over that, so what are you doin with the rest. 1 plant can produce a pound and a half. i dont pay for any thing with my grower and he hooks me up all the time and i love it.

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it does sound some what good, and the law doesnt alow you to only harvest 24 ounces of dry material thats just how much you can have on you at at your house at one time. but yes i guess it is good for un able patients. but so woul some weed that they didnt have to pay for.

GoldenGanja13 said:

Many people have not a clue what good herb can really do for there illness, let alone they have no idea how to really get started. This group is about using there time, labor, and knowledge so the patient can be worry free and receive as much as the law allows every harvest. Sounds pretty fantastic to me. + reps to them.

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Totally. The first time I tried Medicinal quality weed, I was astonished!

mcpurple said:

it does sound some what good, and the law doesnt alow you to only harvest 24 ounces of dry material thats just how much you can have on you at at your house at one time. but yes i guess it is good for un able patients. but so woul some weed that they didnt have to pay for.

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Actually mcpurple, the law is clear. You (and your grower) can have a combined total of usable cannabis. They have further defined usable cannabis as anything part of the plant that contains thc, which includes stems and fan leave (not just flowers). There is section, which precludes whole plants from this weight for purposes of drying. After all, a wet maryjane plant can weight much more than 24 ounces. As soon as you cut off a bud, stem or fan leaf it is a schedule II narcotic. For those of you who want to be legal under oregon law, you must dry your plants whole.

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medicalmary said:

Actually mcpurple, the law is clear. You (and your grower) can have a combined total of usable cannabis. They have further defined usable cannabis as anything part of the plant that contains thc, which includes stems and fan leave (not just flowers). There is section, which precludes whole plants from this weight for purposes of drying. After all, a wet maryjane plant can weight much more than 24 ounces. As soon as you cut off a bud, stem or fan leaf it is a schedule II narcotic. For those of you who want to be legal under oregon law, you must dry your plants whole.

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OH, yeeeaahhh! If they can PROVE in court they had NO knowledge of the growers actions, they might keep their card...Probably not.

medicalmary said:

Actually mcpurple, the law is clear. You (and your grower) can have a combined total of usable cannabis. They have further defined usable cannabis as anything part of the plant that contains thc, which includes stems and fan leave (not just flowers). There is section, which precludes whole plants from this weight for purposes of drying. After all, a wet maryjane plant can weight much more than 24 ounces. As soon as you cut off a bud, stem or fan leaf it is a schedule II narcotic. For those of you who want to be legal under oregon law, you must dry your plants whole.

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i know the laws and whats legal and whats not.