Organic AAAA

redi jedi said:
Manure is organic but manure isnt fertiliser until many other creatures have made that shit into something the plant can absorb
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Exactly what I try to explain to the organic zealots screaming hydro nutes are "chemicals' like they were in the same class as pesticides or some BS like that.

The bio-herd breaks down organic matter into the same kind salts that plants can absorb so hydro nutes just cut out that process and feed directly.

Some nutes like Miracle Grow/GH use the cheapest minerals they can find contaminated with who knows what to produce their products tho. Even good old Alaska fish ferts aren't from Alaska anymore and a bottle I bought years ago has a warning not to use on food crops. For ornamentals only. Can you say heavy metal contamination? I knew you could. :)

Hey @AquaTerra. What's the 611 on using GA3 on pot plants? Recommended for all sorts of fruit and veg crops and claims to be organic. I picked up a little bottle at the garden centre up here the other day. Made by an outfit called GroSpurt here in Canada. Thought I might experiment on a plant that's destined to get sprayed with STS as I won't be smoking bud off it anyways.

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redi jedi said:
To grow organically, your not using processed or refined fertilisers with known quantities...an NPK ratio for example.
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The bags of sheep and steer manure I bought have NPK ratios on them. They don't say organic on them so I wonder what they are feeding those animals.

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redi jedi said:
You're probably right but if the manure is processed in any way, say milled to be uniform, it no longer meets the organic definition.
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Why would a mechanical action like milling affect a products organic designation? So if I run a rototiller through an organic patch of soil it is no longer organic? That makes no sense to me at all and I'll have to call BS on that one. Our veggie garden has never had any pesticides or other chem products applied to it in the almost 20 years we have lived here but we get a guy to come in spring and fall to till it. Once the crops are off we spread lots of our compost all over before tilling so it's ready in the spring.

what I get a kick out of is cities that collect organic waste like lawn cuttings etc and compost it for sale as organic compost. How much of those grass trimmings has been sprayed with who knows what before ending up in their piles. Organic my ass.
 
OldMedUser said:
Why would a mechanical action like milling affect a products organic designation? So if I run a rototiller through an organic patch of soil it is no longer organic? That makes no sense to me at all and I'll have to call BS on that one. Our veggie garden has never had any pesticides or other chem products applied to it in the almost 20 years we have lived here but we get a guy to come in spring and fall to till it. Once the crops are off we spread lots of our compost all over before tilling so it's ready in the spring.

what I get a kick out of is cities that collect organic waste like lawn cuttings etc and compost it for sale as organic compost. How much of those grass trimmings has been sprayed with who knows what before ending up in their piles. Organic my ass.
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Im no expert on the matter but I think the milling aids in breaking it down, much faster than it would occur naturally. Just my best guess though...
 
redi jedi said:
Im no expert on the matter but I think the milling aids in breaking it down, much faster than it would occur naturally. Just my best guess though...
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It still doesn't change the organic nature of it any more than turning and mixing your compost piles to help break it down faster does.
 
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