Matt Rize
Hashmaster
you forgot greedy. most folks i know using synth are commercial growers.
Organic experts, how do I learn what you know?
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woodsmaneh!
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Do I did not miss it potting soil is not promix or sunshine!!! There is no soil in Pro-Mix!
THEY ARE PEAT BASED.
shame on you Matt you know better!
PRO‐MIX HP MYCORRHIZAE™
PRO-MIX HP MYCORRHIZAE™ is a high porosity peat-based growing medium ideal for water sensitive crops, rooting cutting and/or low-light growing conditions that contains a beneficial mycorrhizal inoculum (Glomus intraradices).
PRO‐MIX BX MYCORRHIZAE™
PRO-MIX BX MYCORRHIZAE™ is a general purpose peat based professional growing media designed for a wide range of greenhouse and transplanting applications that contains a mycorrhizal inoculum (Glomus intraradices).
Have a look at the chart it list everything in it.
http://www.pthorticulture.com/media/3711/comparative_en.pdf
Corbat420
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hey Woosmaneh. you cant controll whats in BS soils like Fox Farm or other Shit.
P.S: Learn Something. learn the diffrerance betwen POTTING SOIL and TOP SOIL. your talking about TOP SOIL.
IF it was a SOILLESS MIX which is what your saying it is it wouldn't have the Nutrients, fungi and bacteria added. SERIOUSLY fucking hate the STUPID SHIT people say without thinking.
go into the woods. get peat moss. put it in a bag with bacteria. come back a year later and GUESS WHAT WE HAVE?!?! DIRT. PEAT MOSS IS DEGRADED BEFORE ITS SOLD.
just to make sure you actualy read this woosmaneh SOILLESS MIXES have NO NUTRIENTS. so then why does PRO-MIX Have added Nutes, Fungi, and Bacteria?!? that chart obviously doesn't tell us anything because it doesn't include the fungal and bacterial additives, so we know from that that its inaccurate.
P.S: I;ve been using peat for the last 10 years. the only thing better than Peat is COCO.
P.P.S: Just for GOOD MEASURE:
P.S: Learn Something. learn the diffrerance betwen POTTING SOIL and TOP SOIL. your talking about TOP SOIL.
IF it was a SOILLESS MIX which is what your saying it is it wouldn't have the Nutrients, fungi and bacteria added. SERIOUSLY fucking hate the STUPID SHIT people say without thinking.
go into the woods. get peat moss. put it in a bag with bacteria. come back a year later and GUESS WHAT WE HAVE?!?! DIRT. PEAT MOSS IS DEGRADED BEFORE ITS SOLD.
just to make sure you actualy read this woosmaneh SOILLESS MIXES have NO NUTRIENTS. so then why does PRO-MIX Have added Nutes, Fungi, and Bacteria?!? that chart obviously doesn't tell us anything because it doesn't include the fungal and bacterial additives, so we know from that that its inaccurate.
P.S: I;ve been using peat for the last 10 years. the only thing better than Peat is COCO.
P.P.S: Just for GOOD MEASURE:
woodsmaneh!
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If it was soil it would say so on the bag, your not reading I am not talking about Fox Farm where the fuck did that come from?? I am not going to repeat what I have stated.
SHOW ME ON THE LABEL WHERE IT SAYS SOIL ON A BAG OF SUNSHINE OR PROMIX or shut up.
I never said promix of sunshine had any nutrients in it WTF are you talking about, back off on the pipe bro.
P.S: Learn Something. learn the diffrerance betwen POTTING SOIL and TOP SOIL. your talking about TOP SOIL.
WTF who said anything about top soil?
You sure have your threads and head mixed up here, I have no idea where your going now?
seeya
SHOW ME ON THE LABEL WHERE IT SAYS SOIL ON A BAG OF SUNSHINE OR PROMIX or shut up.
I never said promix of sunshine had any nutrients in it WTF are you talking about, back off on the pipe bro.
P.S: Learn Something. learn the diffrerance betwen POTTING SOIL and TOP SOIL. your talking about TOP SOIL.
WTF who said anything about top soil?
You sure have your threads and head mixed up here, I have no idea where your going now?
seeya
Corbat420
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lmfao Woodsmaneh.
keep showing us how Ignorant you are. heres a Google Search for: definition: soil
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1680&bih=910&q=definition%3A+soil&oq=definition%3A+soil&aq=f&aqi=g4g-v6&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=541l5387l0l5633l11l11l1l0l0l0l213l1396l1.8.1l10l0
MAYBE if your going to call yourself an Organic Grower, you shouldn't be a Hypocrite and Actually learn something.
it DOSE NOT have to say soil IF YOU ARE MAKING YOUR OWN. moron.
keep showing us how Ignorant you are. heres a Google Search for: definition: soil
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1680&bih=910&q=definition%3A+soil&oq=definition%3A+soil&aq=f&aqi=g4g-v6&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=541l5387l0l5633l11l11l1l0l0l0l213l1396l1.8.1l10l0
THAT MEANS IF YOU DEGRADE PEAT INTO A DARK MEDIUM AND GROW PLANTS IN IT ITS SOIL.
MAYBE if your going to call yourself an Organic Grower, you shouldn't be a Hypocrite and Actually learn something.
it DOSE NOT have to say soil IF YOU ARE MAKING YOUR OWN. moron.
YOU Did. your Talking about TOP SOIL. theres a BIG Differance between TOP SOIL and GROWING MEDIUM.
Corbat420
Well-Known Member
Heres a Link to the 2010 Super Soil Recipe: https://www.rollitup.org/subcools-old-school-organics/338384-2010-revised-super-soil-recipe.html
Notice ROOTS Organic?
Peat = A Base. without a Base all you have is a A Shitload of Nutrients. think about it before you open your mouth.
P.S: If i sound Angry, Its because i Hate Ignorance. Your Ignoring the fact that Peat Moss and Coco Fibers degrade into SOIL. just like manure degrades into SOIL.
Notice ROOTS Organic?
COCO Is for Soilless Mixes, i wonder WHY ITS WHAT MAKES THEIR SOIL?!?!?!? Saying PEAT CAN'T Be used for soil is almost as retarded as Saying COCO Can't be used in soil.
Well i Guess since we are adding most of those things i guess that constitutes the make up of SOIL.
Peat = A Base. without a Base all you have is a A Shitload of Nutrients. think about it before you open your mouth.
P.S: If i sound Angry, Its because i Hate Ignorance. Your Ignoring the fact that Peat Moss and Coco Fibers degrade into SOIL. just like manure degrades into SOIL.
Buggins
Active Member
Is that an Ewok you are holding or a bud? Jee-zus!
Buggins
Active Member
Why wouldn't you use Dolomite Lime and Epsom salts? They are really good sources of calcium and magnesium (and sulphur) for which cannabis requires quite a fair amount, no? Also the dolomite lime is helpful at buffering the ph which makes it even more attractive as an amendment.
I also don't understand why you would suggest that I swap my perlite for promix? The purpose of the perlite is to add porosity and good drainage, adding additional peat would just pack it down even more. Seems counterintuitive to me.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Heres something on soilless grow media
https://www.rollitup.org/organics/378460-soil-less-organics-professor-matt.html
post edit:
There is lots on soilless there. Also, you can't talk about this unless you distinguish between soil, potting soil mix, and potting soilless mix. These 3 are clearly and obviously all different things. No need to argue over semantics when you aren't even talking about the same things.
https://www.rollitup.org/organics/378460-soil-less-organics-professor-matt.html
post edit:
There is lots on soilless there. Also, you can't talk about this unless you distinguish between soil, potting soil mix, and potting soilless mix. These 3 are clearly and obviously all different things. No need to argue over semantics when you aren't even talking about the same things.
Samwell Seed Well
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doc111
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Using that logic isn't virtually everything soil? lol! Let's keep it civil guys.
Corbat420
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No, only things which Degrade into a brown Nutritious medium Which has Nutrients Readily available for Uptake by plant roots. that IS what DEFINES Soil.
Its called Soil Micro-Biology, and i allready posted the link to a book that will explain it all, seeing as THAT is what this thread is SUPPOSED to be, but Woodsmaneh! Came along and started to accuse people of not knowing anything.... instead of contributing to the conversation......
P.S: It is civil, untill ignorant people come here and make assumptions. Then, like any other Thread. im going to show them how they are Wrong.
if your right, your right. if your Wrong and Act like your Right, then your an idiot. -Anonymous.
Buggins
Active Member
I've got to agree with Corbat here.
Too often I've been led astray by someone spouting bullshit just to make themselves seem like an all-knowledgeable ganja god.
The problem is most folks are simply re-posting what they read from someone elses post, who read that from someone elses post, who heard that from a dude who owns a grow shop, who only wants to sell more products.
Too often things are taken as fact, when they have little basis in true botany.
I'm here to learn to be a better grower, so I can create better medicine for myself. If I listened to some of the bad advice that gets tossed around here, I could ruin my crop, and then I wouldn't have my medicine. This is a serious concern for me.
I want to learn as much as I can, from those who are most knowledgeable on the subject due to real-world experience, and scholarly sources (NOTE: High Times, while a magazine that I do enjoy - does NOT count as a scholarly reference).
At some point all this misinformation needs to stop, and if it takes people getting called out for their bullshit, then I'm all for it.
Ideas like "take out the perlite and replace with peat for better porosity in the soil" (I'm paraphrasing) makes no sense, and is exactly the type of thing that could really send someone less knowledgeable far astray, and seriously compromise their garden. This may not seem like a big deal to some, but for guys like myself who need their meds, this isn't acceptable.
I do appreciate people contributing their opinions, but please be sure to qualify them as such. If you're only taking a guess at something, then say it, don't simply state it as fact.
Too often I've been led astray by someone spouting bullshit just to make themselves seem like an all-knowledgeable ganja god.
The problem is most folks are simply re-posting what they read from someone elses post, who read that from someone elses post, who heard that from a dude who owns a grow shop, who only wants to sell more products.
Too often things are taken as fact, when they have little basis in true botany.
I'm here to learn to be a better grower, so I can create better medicine for myself. If I listened to some of the bad advice that gets tossed around here, I could ruin my crop, and then I wouldn't have my medicine. This is a serious concern for me.
I want to learn as much as I can, from those who are most knowledgeable on the subject due to real-world experience, and scholarly sources (NOTE: High Times, while a magazine that I do enjoy - does NOT count as a scholarly reference).
At some point all this misinformation needs to stop, and if it takes people getting called out for their bullshit, then I'm all for it.
Ideas like "take out the perlite and replace with peat for better porosity in the soil" (I'm paraphrasing) makes no sense, and is exactly the type of thing that could really send someone less knowledgeable far astray, and seriously compromise their garden. This may not seem like a big deal to some, but for guys like myself who need their meds, this isn't acceptable.
I do appreciate people contributing their opinions, but please be sure to qualify them as such. If you're only taking a guess at something, then say it, don't simply state it as fact.
doc111
Well-Known Member
As hard as we try we will never get rid of the know-it-alls. People have differing opinions and sometimes both can be right. Just because one person hasn't grown a certain way doesn't mean that way doesn't work. This plant is really adaptable and amazingly strong! People are encouraged to voice their opinions, but in a respectful way. No need for name calling and insults.
Corbat420
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Marijuana Botany: http://www.mellowgold.com/grow/mjbotany-removed/
This FREE Text will explain MANY of the basic principles of marijuana cultivation, from life cycle, feeding methods, wavelengths of light which effect the plant and even some Historical Knowledge of marijuana.
the Breeding and Genetics portion of this paper is PURE GOLD. you will have trouble finding a more comprehensive guide to breeding cannabis, even in the breeders bible.
This FREE Text will explain MANY of the basic principles of marijuana cultivation, from life cycle, feeding methods, wavelengths of light which effect the plant and even some Historical Knowledge of marijuana.
the Breeding and Genetics portion of this paper is PURE GOLD. you will have trouble finding a more comprehensive guide to breeding cannabis, even in the breeders bible.
Jack Harer
Well-Known Member
Yeah, that is a must read. A bit too in depth for most, tho. Clarke is the recognized authority in most circles.
doc111
Well-Known Member
I've read it a few times and it is indeed and EXCELLENT book! I've been trying to get my hands on a hard copy for years now and I've only been able to find used ones on Amazon for over $100! Sorry, but I'm not going to pay that.
Samwell Seed Well
Well-Known Member
Anyhting worth doing is worth doing right
one rule of MJ cultivation
NO FUCKING SHORTCUTS or thats what you gonna get
one rule of MJ cultivation
NO FUCKING SHORTCUTS or thats what you gonna get
SirLancelot
Active Member
Ok quick question about the soil after the grow. Say you use organics throughout the entire grow and when it's done just throw the soil back into your already going compost. How long untill the soil is usable again or is it already?