Organic Mix no cooking?

greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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personal lux said:
so then what is a good soil mix to use?
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well like I said, for what you need (no cooking or aging) i'd go with a commercial bagged soil, and maybe add a cup of fish bone meal per bag, since fish bone meal is low in nitrogen as well as being a slow release I can't imagine it harming your mix if you don't age it well, that and maybe a cup of rock phosphates per bag as well.
you are sorta in "uncharted territories" for me though, I've never not aged my soil.
Is vermifire available? That you can use on its own, and if the containers are big enough it'll support the plant all the way till the end.
Depending on the strain of course, an outside grown, super stretchy, nitrogen loving, sativa may need more.
 
personal lux

personal lux

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greasemonkeymann said:
well like I said, for what you need (no cooking or aging) i'd go with a commercial bagged soil, and maybe add a cup of fish bone meal per bag, since fish bone meal is low in nitrogen as well as being a slow release I can't imagine it harming your mix if you don't age it well, that and maybe a cup of rock phosphates per bag as well.
you are sorta in "uncharted territories" for me though, I've never not aged my soil.
Is vermifire available? That you can use on its own, and if the containers are big enough it'll support the plant all the way till the end.
Depending on the strain of course, an outside grown, super stretchy, nitrogen loving, sativa may need more.
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Hey thanks a lot for the info already but im gonna throw a few more ?s your way lol. There is a bag mix, $35 for 2cf..id need about 28 bags, being thats about a grand...i think i could do it cheaper.
 
Carolina Dream'n

Carolina Dream'n

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personal lux said:
Hey thanks a lot for the info already but im gonna throw a few more ?s your way lol. There is a bag mix, $35 for 2cf..id need about 28 bags, being thats about a grand...i think i could do it cheaper.
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400 gallons of soil outdoor, and your worried about a grand? That's nothin compared to what you'll get back. Just plan it out better next year and save money on soil then.
 
personal lux

personal lux

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Carolina Dream'n said:
400 gallons of soil outdoor, and your worried about a grand? That's nothin compared to what you'll get back. Just plan it out better next year and save money on soil then.
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the money isnt the issue, its that i began looking into it for a water only method and its suppose to be cheaper than my nutrients. Which at $350 per pot after tax, its not. But id love to hear reasons how i can chop down the price, i imagine buying it bagged is much worse. I am now looking into putting then in 25 gallons with FFOF and 1/3 perlite, then finding a mix and cooking it until first week of july but would like to act now season is short here in michigan.
 
abe supercro

abe supercro

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read the ingredients on roots and ocean forest, wouldn't that be an approximate recipe for wholesale? C'mon man!

you're paying retail.......WHY?
 
Carolina Dream'n

Carolina Dream'n

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personal lux said:
the money isnt the issue, its that i began looking into it for a water only method and its suppose to be cheaper than my nutrients. Which at $350 per pot after tax, its not. But id love to hear reasons how i can chop down the price, i imagine buying it bagged is much worse. I am now looking into putting then in 25 gallons with FFOF and 1/3 perlite, then finding a mix and cooking it until first week of july but would like to act now season is short here in michigan.
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Peat moss, Perlite, ewc, oyster shell flour, rock phosphate, kelp meal, azomite and Epsom salts. (this is the recipe I used for raised beds for vegetable garden, it covers all NPK, Ca, Mg, and micro nutrients) and the other amendments of your choice. Done.
 
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anzohaze

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no.matter what you won't be ready to use unless your using bagged soil as aging is important. Some may disagree with this but find someone selling good clean compost, Craigslist or etc. or like topsoil. You can get. 10 tons of 100 dollars then spend 200 on ammendments. and there ya go. Anything bagged will be expensive of course.
 
personal lux

personal lux

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anzohaze said:
no.matter what you won't be ready to use unless your using bagged soil as aging is important. Some may disagree with this but find someone selling good clean compost, Craigslist or etc. or like topsoil. You can get. 10 tons of 100 dollars then spend 200 on ammendments. and there ya go. Anything bagged will be expensive of course.
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Im gonna do a 30 day cool for the rest of my soil, looking like ill be doing a large version of suncools recipe..
 
personal lux

personal lux

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How is this for a mix? Got this from a local guy.


38cf promix
19cf perlite
60lb EWC
10lb bone meal
10lb blood meal
6lb glacial rock dust
1 cup azomite
10lb indonesian bat guano
1 cup epsom salt
2 cup dolomite lime
 
Joedank

Joedank

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personal lux said:
So i want to make the swap to a water only soil for a few outdoor plants. i need about 400 gallons worth of medium. Id like a recipe that doeant need to cook if thats possible? Ive heard ocean forest with 1/3 perlite is a good veg mix? But i wanna put them from there 10 gallons into the 100s now. Any advice is appreciated!
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look up "moonshineman mix " its the owner of rare dankness seeds mix . super easy and works . top dressing EWC and "budswell" will get u there
 
Dr. Who

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anzohaze said:
@Pattahabi
@hyroot @greasemonkeymann @stowandgrow
These above will help and give excellent advise these are the people that help me and give me direction when I need it.
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The blood meal can be dropped and another N source used at or around the same NPK value of the BM.....I don't like blood meal as it's an animal by product that contains antibiotics. Blood meal is fast release. High N Bat Guano will work here (if you have no problem with it).
Swap Fishbone meal for the Bone meal.....If you can't,,,,use unsteamed bone meal...not steamed bone meal!

See the last 2 things on that list? Epsom and Dolomite.....
I don't use dolomite because it (in my book and experience), is too high in Mg and you would be putting that on top of Mg Sulfate - the Epsom...that would not be the smartest choice ---
Use Oyster shell instead......I like to use 50/50 O shell and Dried crushed egg shells.....if your running on the hot end of nutrition in the soil, be advised that Egg shell is like 1.1 -.4 -.15 or close to that - slow release...
I personally, would like to see some Kelp meal in there...
I would up the Azomite to like 10 cups for that many cf if not more!!
Be sure to use the Pro-Mix with myco's and add some more into the mix....
Some dry Humic acid might help, but it's an optional thing - unless there is no kelp, then add some!

This is a nice NPK value chart for fast reference
http://www.lundproduce.com/N-P-K-Value-of-Everything.html

Doc
 
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Darth Vapour

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lol nothing wrong with blood meal its perfectly safe , i am surprised no one mentioned .
Feather meal, or Alfalfa meal ... Cotton seed meal .soya bean meal, corn glutten meal
Bat guano as far as i am concerned and not knowing if the host bat shit has rabies,,,
or what other possible disease , then when your dealing with it inhaling spores can get you Histoplasmosis no thanks i will stick to other animal by products :)
 
personal lux

personal lux

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Dr. Who said:
The blood meal can be dropped and another N source used at or around the same NPK value of the BM.....I don't like blood meal as it's an animal by product that contains antibiotics. Blood meal is fast release. High N Bat Guano will work here (if you have no problem with it).
Swap Fishbone meal for the Bone meal.....If you can't,,,,use unsteamed bone meal...not steamed bone meal!

See the last 2 things on that list? Epsom and Dolomite.....
I don't use dolomite because it (in my book and experience), is too high in Mg and you would be putting that on top of Mg Sulfate - the Epsom...that would not be the smartest choice ---
Use Oyster shell instead......I like to use 50/50 O shell and Dried crushed egg shells.....if your running on the hot end of nutrition in the soil, be advised that Egg shell is like 1.1 -.4 -.15 or close to that - slow release...
I personally, would like to see some Kelp meal in there...
I would up the Azomite to like 10 cups for that many cf if not more!!
Be sure to use the Pro-Mix with myco's and add some more into the mix....
Some dry Humic acid might help, but it's an optional thing - unless there is no kelp, then add some!

This is a nice NPK value chart for fast reference
http://www.lundproduce.com/N-P-K-Value-of-Everything.html

Doc
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You hit the nail on the head id say. He mentioned he likea to sub the dolomite for oyster shells, and that the bone meal is fish bone meal, what amounts would you suggest i add in? As for the kelp meal and humic any brands toud recommend and how much to add?
 
Carolina Dream'n

Carolina Dream'n

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personal lux said:
How is this for a mix? Got this from a local guy.


38cf promix
19cf perlite
60lb EWC
10lb bone meal
10lb blood meal
6lb glacial rock dust
1 cup azomite
10lb indonesian bat guano
1 cup epsom salt
2 cup dolomite lime
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The amendments seem on the very low side to do the amount of base you are trying to ammend.
 
neonknight420

neonknight420

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I don't know if somebody has already chimed in on this, but the Rev has a no cook soil mix. I do know it's in his book. It's called (on the fly TLO no cooking mix) 1 part perlite, 1 part ewc, and 1 part good bagged organic soil mix (with mycorrhizal fungus if possible) 1tbsp dry all purpose, all natural fertilizer with numbers like 5-5-5, per gallon of soil mix. Requires no cooking so don't add anything else, like alfalfa meal or any manure/guanos would be a mistake with this mix. Peace.
 
Darth Vapour

Darth Vapour

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Here you can plant right away break recipe down accordingly

150 - gallons of peat moss
100 - gallons of rice hauls
200 - gallons of EWC
25 cups of Oyster shell flour
50 cups cups of Gypsum
25 cups of Azomite
13 cups of Basalt Rock dust
25 cups of Bentonite
25 cups of crab shell meal
25 cups of fish meal
25 cups of High P Guano
25 cups of Alfalfa meal
25 cups of fish bone meal
50 cups of Kelp meal
13 cups of Granular humic acid
13 cups of diatomaceous earth
25 gallons of 3- 4 mm Biochar
 
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Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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personal lux said:
You hit the nail on the head id say. He mentioned he likea to sub the dolomite for oyster shells, and that the bone meal is fish bone meal, what amounts would you suggest i add in? As for the kelp meal and humic any brands toud recommend and how much to add?
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For the bone meal - sub the same amounts equally
See Darth Vapors list above? Run the O shell AND the gypsum at the same ratio he gave for what your going to use, to replace the Dolomite.

I like Dr. Earths Kelp or Planet Natural for large amounts......Around 12 cups for your amount.
I only use Humic/Fulvic products from BioAg! I like FUL-HUMIX and I know others like the liquid Ful-Power (very expensive but used in small amounts) Both are watered in at the final mix....There is a big reason.....Read this

http://www.bioag.com/educationandresources.html

Doc

P.S. I like to add BioAg's TM-7 to my tea's a cpl of times in the run too. They have a wonderful page on making tea's with it and they have a great "fert" tea that may be of interest to those who use tea's (fertilizer tea's) to grow without Super soil .

http://www.bioag.com/images/BioAg_Compost_tea_demo-reference.pdf
 
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